Micro 808: Kids With Guns - ROLL CREDITS (FIN)

[BlackStar]

That doesn't seem like a good reason to claim though

[vulcan logician]

For real. It seems like the role could have been put to wise use.

[123456789]

I mean, why shouldn’t I claim? It gives another innocent D1.

[123456789]

I am the innocent child but I refuse to reveal because reasons

I like your avatar

ty, i liked one of your older ones better than this one but this one is alright.

I am the innocent child but I refuse to reveal because reasons

Prove it, or I shoot you N1.

have fun people yelling at you post game for gamethrowing

I don’t care about post-game; you have yourself to blame for it.

[TheRampage]

I personally say we lynch Firebringer today and then you use your night kill on Blackstar

[123456789]

Okay.
VOTE: Fire

[Firebringer]

I am the innocent child but I refuse to reveal because reasons

I like your avatar

ty, i liked one of your older ones better than this one but this one is alright.

I am the innocent child but I refuse to reveal because reasons

Prove it, or I shoot you N1.

have fun people yelling at you post game for gamethrowing

I don’t care about post-game; you have yourself to blame for it.

Lol u moron

[Korina]

Votecount 1.1

FireBringer(2)

~ TheRampage(3), 123456789(11)

NotAJumbleOfNumbers(1)

~ Not_Mafia(2)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ Blackstar(3)

123456789(1)

~ PenguinPower(1)


Not Voting (3): NotAJumbleOfNumbers(3), vulcan logician(3), FireBringer(3)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-06-18 16:04:00)

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[BlackStar]

I personally say we lynch Firebringer today and then you use your night kill on Blackstar

why?

[TheRampage]

I personally say we lynch Firebringer today and then you use your night kill on Blackstar

why?

Cause Firebringer is obviously the worst scum ever. No townie would claim to be the innocent child this early, and they especially wouldn't do it without actually showing they were. It would only make them a target for lynch if they weren't the actual innocent child and would cause the actual one to out themselves to ensure the lynch. It is a very poor town move and an even worse scum move. To me, he is being scum in hopes of outing the other power role now that one is outed. The scum could then possibly lynch one and kill the other tonight, and then go to Day 2 up 4 to 2, then Day 3 they would be up 3-1, and a mislynch, which would be likely would end the game night 3. So yeah, it is quite obvious that firebringer is scum and to me, your little interaction in this game seems scummy to me, so I feel our best bet is that you are his scum partner.

[BlackStar]

I personally say we lynch Firebringer today and then you use your night kill on Blackstar

why?

Cause Firebringer is obviously the worst scum ever. No townie would claim to be the innocent child this early, and they especially wouldn't do it without actually showing they were. It would only make them a target for lynch if they weren't the actual innocent child and would cause the actual one to out themselves to ensure the lynch. It is a very poor town move and an even worse scum move. To me, he is being scum in hopes of outing the other power role now that one is outed. The scum could then possibly lynch one and kill the other tonight, and then go to Day 2 up 4 to 2, then Day 3 they would be up 3-1, and a mislynch, which would be likely would end the game night 3. So yeah, it is quite obvious that firebringer is scum and to me, your little interaction in this game seems scummy to me, so I feel our best bet is that you are his scum partner.

Its definitely weird to claim innocent child this early in the game, but I think its too soon for you to be saying that he's "obviously scum". If he's scum who's trying to out the real innocent child, I doubt that they would actually take the bait for the same reasons that you just laid out. So it would be a dumb gambit on scum's part and the real IC would probably start to tunnel them. I also don't see how me saying "i like your avatar" is scummy. I just came back from a 1 year hiatus and he changed his avatar lol

[BlackStar]

You're trying way too hard

[TheRampage]

So Blackstar, you're telling me that you believe his claim of Innocent Child? Cause if you don't, I need you to explain to me why you believe that town Firestorm would fake claim Innocent Child. Cause I believe he is fake claiming, because Innocent Child would not out right now. Honestly, if I were innocent child, I would wait until lylo and even then, I would wait til I was sure that I knew who scum was. Claiming now would only possibly protect the 1 shot vig, which he has already vowed to use his 1 shot tonight. So doing so only outs both power roles and makes them the first 2 night kills and leaves the town without a leader. So in my eyes, no townie would fake claim Innocent Child or even the vig. So he is either scum or Innocent Child, and I highly doubt he is Innocent Child. If you agree with that, then you should be voting him to either force him to actually prove it so we can move on and if he can't, then we need to lynch him and let the vig decide who he feels is the best kill before he dies tonight.

[PenguinPower]

Why do you think he was being serious at all? I chalked it up to RVS bullshitting.

[vulcan logician]

If your assessment is correct, Rampage, then the actual IC should activate right now and give us 100% certainty fire is fakeclaiming. Then we lynch him. One scum down on page 2.

As it stands, though, it seems quite implausible that scum would have fakeclaiming IC in mind as a strat because of ^^^.

Rampage, even if such a gambit worked as advertised, it would be a shit move for scum.

[BlackStar]

Firebringer, why'd you claim IC?

So Blackstar, you're telling me that you believe his claim of Innocent Child? Cause if you don't, I need you to explain to me why you believe that town Firestorm would fake claim Innocent Child. Cause I believe he is fake claiming, because Innocent Child would not out right now. Honestly, if I were innocent child, I would wait until lylo and even then, I would wait til I was sure that I knew who scum was. Claiming now would only possibly protect the 1 shot vig, which he has already vowed to use his 1 shot tonight. So doing so only outs both power roles and makes them the first 2 night kills and leaves the town without a leader. So in my eyes, no townie would fake claim Innocent Child or even the vig. So he is either scum or Innocent Child, and I highly doubt he is Innocent Child. If you agree with that, then you should be voting him to either force him to actually prove it so we can move on and if he can't, then we need to lynch him and let the vig decide who he feels is the best kill before he dies tonight.

I'll answer you after he answers me

Why do you think he was being serious at all? I chalked it up to RVS bullshitting.

That was my initial reaction lol

[TheRampage]

Here is my thing Vulcan, we have 2 hard claims and if they are actual hard claims, that is the dumbest thing ever because it will cause the scum to kill right away the 2 townies we might need. I can almost understand Vig hard claiming if he was a threat, but remember that scum can get a day kill as well by killing themselves and another player at any time. So right now, if the IC claims, the scum can insta kill the vig and then be at 5 to 1, we mislynch today, they kill the IC and then we are at 4 to 1, if we mislynch again, then we are at 3 to 1 going into night 2, then day 3 we go to 2 to 1. and if we mislynch we lose. So yeah, it is stupid for the IC to out. And honestly Vulcan, I feel it scummy that you even suggested the IC should out this early cause he would be insta killed for sure. In fact, I just had an idea. I think you are scum cause it would be awesome to know one of the power roles for sure. Cause while it may be true that it was an RVS claim, what is true is that you are willing to see the IC, which is only strong in a 2 - 1 lylo situation, to out day one to get himself killed. Bad form Vulcan, but thanks for stepping in that trap.

VOTE: Vulcan

[123456789]

If your assessment is correct, Rampage, then the actual IC should activate right now and give us 100% certainty fire is fakeclaiming. Then we lynch him. One scum down on page 2.

As it stands, though, it seems quite implausible that scum would have fakeclaiming IC in mind as a strat because of ^^^.

Rampage, even if such a gambit worked as advertised, it would be a shit move for scum.

What if they wanted the vig outted?

[123456789]

Here is my thing Vulcan, we have 2 hard claims and if they are actual hard claims, that is the dumbest thing ever because it will cause the scum to kill right away the 2 townies we might need. I can almost understand Vig hard claiming if he was a threat, but remember that scum can get a day kill as well by killing themselves and another player at any time. So right now, if the IC claims, the scum can insta kill the vig and then be at 5 to 1, we mislynch today, they kill the IC and then we are at 4 to 1, if we mislynch again, then we are at 3 to 1 going into night 2, then day 3 we go to 2 to 1. and if we mislynch we lose. So yeah, it is stupid for the IC to out. And honestly Vulcan, I feel it scummy that you even suggested the IC should out this early cause he would be insta killed for sure. In fact, I just had an idea. I think you are scum cause it would be awesome to know one of the power roles for sure. Cause while it may be true that it was an RVS claim, what is true is that you are willing to see the IC, which is only strong in a 2 - 1 lylo situation, to out day one to get himself killed. Bad form Vulcan, but thanks for stepping in that trap.

VOTE: Vulcan

Bad vote; Vulcan is town here.

And for your information, scum do not exactly benefit from suicide bombing as they lose a member. It is esp. a bad trade against the innocent child as then scum is basically losing a member to take out a confirmed innocent that could have easily been night-killed.

[123456789]

Oh, and Rampage is town as well; I've seen his abominable (just joking) town game before.

[TheRampage]

Yeah, it's pretty notorious

[vulcan logician]

Here is my thing Vulcan, we have 2 hard claims and if they are actual hard claims, that is the dumbest thing ever because it will cause the scum to kill right away the 2 townies we might need. I can almost understand Vig hard claiming if he was a threat, but remember that scum can get a day kill as well by killing themselves and another player at any time. So right now, if the IC claims, the scum can insta kill the vig and then be at 5 to 1, we mislynch today, they kill the IC and then we are at 4 to 1, if we mislynch again, then we are at 3 to 1 going into night 2, then day 3 we go to 2 to 1. and if we mislynch we lose. So yeah, it is stupid for the IC to out. And honestly Vulcan, I feel it scummy that you even suggested the IC should out this early cause he would be insta killed for sure. In fact, I just had an idea. I think you are scum cause it would be awesome to know one of the power roles for sure. Cause while it may be true that it was an RVS claim, what is true is that you are willing to see the IC, which is only strong in a 2 - 1 lylo situation, to out day one to get himself killed. Bad form Vulcan, but thanks for stepping in that trap.

VOTE: Vulcan

Yeah man... if we mislynch 4 times we lose. Lol. I think that happens with or without the lousy gambit you think scum is employing.

Keep in mind, I'm not refuting your claims. I played a game with Firebringer where he made a ballsy and ill-conceived fake claim gambit as scum. So it's certainly possible. I'm just pointing out that (while possible) such a scheme is rather unlikely because it costs scum so much while hardly giving them an advantage. All I was doing was giving some analysis. Hold your horses.

[123456789]

Rampage, please go back to voting Firebringer.

We could also vote Not_Mafia who has yet to do anything useful.

[123456789]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[TheRampage]

Vulcan, you are playing too controlled for my liking right now. Anyways, I did not say you countered what I said and you did not my finding you scummy for wanting IC to out. Still. I will go back to firebringer and if he is scum, I will be taking a serious look at you.

VOTE: Firebringer