Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[Psyche]

Vote Count

Espeonage (4) - Tommy Egan, Creature, joral, Performer
ByronVilla (3) - Kublai Khan, Hopkirk, Ircher
PenguinPower (2) - Golden Robster, Espeonage
Kublai Khan (1) - PenguinPower
joral (1) - UnrealSeal
Creature (0) -
UnrealSeal (0) -
Golden Robster (0) -
Tommy Egan (0) -
Not_Mafia (0) -
Performer (0) -
Ircher (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Not Voting (2) - ByronVilla, Not_Mafia

With 13 players alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is June 15, 2018, at 3:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2018-06-15 15:00:00).

Let me know if you see any error.

[Golden Robster]

Town

:

Leaning Town

: UnrealSeal, Ircher

Semi-leaning Town

: Joral

Kind of town

: TE

Neutral/undecided

: N_M, PP, Espeonage, KK

Meh

: Hopkirk, Creature, Byron

Leaning Scum

: Performer,

Scum

:

Potential Lynches

: Byron, Hopkirk, Creature, Performer

Going to post my reasoning and explanations later.

[Golden Robster]

I believe that's L-1. @ esp

Think it's L-2 actually; why does it feel like you're rushing this right now?

[Golden Robster]

What good does it do to needlessly ruffle feathers? Hoping to provoke a reaction? My experience is you get the hot heads who don't reread before they post, but for me it has not been a decent scum indication.
Since you've returned to posting, I assume that you think we're out of the normal RVS fluffposting? What reads do you have aside from me?

Isn't this game all about finding motivation, contradictions and forming your own arguments?

Provoking reactions and generating content is RVS in a nutshell and useful, no?

[Golden Robster]

I'm skimming. I'm not negligent.

Cool, so if you're not negligent then I'm guessing that you've read through most of the content. Post thoughts please.

Also @N_M needs to post as well; not sure why it's taking him so long to engage in this game.

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Performer

Will post explanations for reads list later.

[Kublai Khan]

I'm skimming. I'm not negligent.

Hey Espeonage,

That lull in the game right now. Y''know, that lull where momentum is being lost and town apathy is creeping in. The one in the endgame where everyone is wondering how town could lose the game.

You're causing that lull.

"Skimming" is a way of saying "I'm only looking to respond to my name only". You're not scum-hunting and you're not defending yourself. Your aloofness is killing the game. It ruins every mafia game. Your playstyle is the worst.

Participate or replace out.

[Hopkirk]

If NotMafia isn't voting someone whose on L1, treat them as on L2. There's a strong possibility he'll quickhammer.

Catching up.

[Hopkirk]

Who's

I haven't been reading. There's quote chains so I skipped the pages except on a skim.

This is not an excuse when we're talking about 4 pages.

Seal's tone is 164/8 sounds new towny.

[Hopkirk]

Also, i'd need to look back to remind myself who it was but a couple players jumped on Creature accusing this of being his scum play. It's far to early in the game to know that and the Creature slot will determine itself as the game goes on. I didn't want to jump on it at the time as I wanted to see if anyone else would try push the same rhetoric so i'll be keeping an eye on the players who pushed Creature as scum for meta reasons for now until we can see which Creature we have here.

joral, what do you think about PP doing absolutely nothing?

I don't think so. Pp was trying to get wagons going at the very start, and that's a great way to move the game.

VOTE: creature

Why this vote?

[Hopkirk]

‘I'm not sure why "who can read Creature?" has been such a reoccurring topic? Nobody else can claim to be read flawlessly, why is everyone worried about Creature?’
Lots of experienced people seem to believe creature is really really easy to read on meta. Plus it’s interesting to see how people interact with it (eg, if scum believe it they’d want to lynch him early).

Ircher- your numbers are kind of counterintuitive when a random person should be like 75% town.

PenguinPower (-31%) - His interactions with Kublai were weird, and I'll leave them at that. 54 feels strange: Penguin finds Espeonage's post to be great, yet Penguin did not (at least, I presume that he not) think that he was forcing Creature (and others) to choose between one of two wagons. Like, what is great about the post? 65 just seems strange and too much on the shady side of things. Then, as a whole, the ISO just feels... off..., so I'm not sure if this is just more the way Penguin plays or if Penguin is playing some kind of weird scum theatrics right now. (That probably isn't the correct use of terminology, but whatever.)

Hi! Busy today, so I'm only going to interact with something substantive (especially since Espeonage is ignoring me).

Do you know the concept of sarcasm? 54 was sarcasm. I'm not sure how you interpreted it differently.

For anyone who has played with me in the past, or cares to research my town meta, I'm a sarcastic ass all of D1...and usually into later days as well, but less so.

Really just wanted to clear up the lack of your understanding re: sarcasm. I'll read through the rest later.

Pretty sure you've played with me before...so...

You say that's what we get when we look at your town meta.
What do we get when we look at your scum meta?

[Hopkirk]

Robster is fine.
Could see Espe as town with no motivation and who is a counterwagonish to Byron.

[Ircher]

‘I'm not sure why "who can read Creature?" has been such a reoccurring topic? Nobody else can claim to be read flawlessly, why is everyone worried about Creature?’
Lots of experienced people seem to believe creature is really really easy to read on meta. Plus it’s interesting to see how people interact with it (eg, if scum believe it they’d want to lynch him early).

Ircher- your numbers are kind of counterintuitive when a random person should be like 75% town.

Did you read the spoiler? While alignments are random, reads are not; the numbers indicate my amount of confidence in a read and have little to do with probability.

[Not_Mafia]

If NotMafia isn't voting someone whose on L1, treat them as on L2. There's a strong possibility he'll quickhammer.

Catching up.

Slander

[Not_Mafia]

Will catch up tomorrow

[PenguinPower]

What do we get when we look at your scum meta?

I hard bus my partners and/or tend to actively lurk for the majority of the game. I think I've done that in every single scum game except for one.

But, I could be lying right?

[PenguinPower]

If NotMafia isn't voting someone whose on L1, treat them as on L2. There's a strong possibility he'll quickhammer.

Catching up.

Slander

Correct (well, libel). It should read "If NotMafia isn't voting someone who's on L-2, treat them as if they are on L-1. There's a strong possibility he'll quickhammer.

[PenguinPower]

Also, Penguin please keep in mind that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet, and especially in a psychological game like Mafia.

Fair. I'm be sure to use gifs and emojis to clarify my sarcasm.

This is a favorite of mine:

[Tommy Egan]

I believe that's L-1. @ esp

That clearly wasn't L-1 and I think you knew that. What gambit were you hoping to pull off here?

@TommyEgan Ignore this question I guess

I'd also like to rebuke at you that if I'm sus for blindly agreeing with Espeonage why do you also not have sus on PP for also blindly agreeing with Espe?

Why do you want to force only two wagons?

Great first post btw.

He said nothing more than this for a while. (this is not to say I scumlean PP or anything, simply a question for Tommy)

Also, Penguin please keep in mind that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet, and especially in a psychological game like Mafia.

VOTE: Performer

Will post explanations for reads list later.

Look, Seal is shading me now! How can I be ignoring a question when I hadn't even posted since you asked it? Uhm alright

But anyway that is the most obvious sarcasm from PP in that post and if you can't notice that then I won't be able to explain it to you.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Espeonage
This wagon is going somewhere; the Byron one is not.

[UnrealSeal]

But anyway that is the most obvious sarcasm from PP in that post and if you can't notice that then I won't be able to explain it to you.

listen man I'm dumb as fuck, it's why I don't talk much IRL kek

also yeah how the fuck did performer think that was L-1 when we got a VC in 175, he votes creature in 177 and then goes directly back to espeonage, all within in the span of about 20 minutes.

nobody gets confused that easily, but I can't really think of any scum-motivations for it, so it just kinda baffles me.

also ircher, gonna look through your ISO, the wording you used really irks me.

[UnrealSeal]

I figured out why it irked me and it's pretty much NAI, so continue.

[Ircher]

Okay, that was weird...

[Tommy Egan]

@performer - Have you ever played with Not Mafia before?

[Performer]

Hey all, been busy. Today and tomorrow will be fairly busy (tomorrow is a cousin's graduation). Will have to catch up later, hopefully by Friday at latest.