mini 2013: the chorus of i'll call b4 i cum mafia (all done)

[MariaR]

hrm. I don't know if I agree or disagree with you I'd need to put more thought into the motion. I think Kokichi is scummy with his idc bs but I want to wagon Tchi.
VOTE: Tchi

[Azurit]

Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1

Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst

I just forgot the worst.
I can't understand the reason to join the waggon and leave it again, neither in case of the worst!scum nor in case of the worst!town. Hence I think it is NAI.

What do you think about the worst?

[profii]

Idk why he left the wagon. I am guessing he has played with Ruby before and that causes him to trust that town call. I’ll be keeping an eye on that through the game and should that trust be in doubt then worst very quickly becomes scummy

[MariaR]

Ruby's reads aren't to be trusted at all lol.
There easy to manipulate. They can be obv town when needed

[Kokichi Oma]

Koki - do you think ruby red has enough experience playing with you to say you are town with confidence at this point?

Hes correctly scumread me as scum before so maybe

[Kokichi Oma]

What if some mafia's don't care if they are caught? We know there are bad towns, so it stands to reason that we'll run into mafias who don't put any effort into their role. If you look at Koki's mafiascum life, he is overwhelmingly active.

This post is so bad it makes me wanna vote you over profil

[Kokichi Oma]

Also that is actually false meta on me so actually

VOTE: SIV36

[Kokichi Oma]

Wait SIV36 what game did we play together?

[profii]

Koki - do you think ruby red has enough experience playing with you to say you are town with confidence at this point?

Hes correctly scumread me as scum before so maybe

Maybe... TW would know that maybe

Or maybe happy coincidence maybe ?

[the worst]

What if some mafia's don't care if they are caught? We know there are bad towns, so it stands to reason that we'll run into mafias who don't put any effort into their role. If you look at Koki's mafiascum life, he is overwhelmingly active. It's easy to speculate that he's not reading anything here in depth, or trying to solve the game. It's a little bit of a stretch, but I think he's taking a lead from his team (that lead being vote profii), and just running that, not caring how things turn out.

People questioning me why I don't have null reads: To me almost everyone is close to null. When I'm playing with sorting people, they are still negligibly a few percent from the null-point. I keep that standing to stop myself from deadlocking on a read and becoming disappointed.

However, I thing Koki is more than negligibly scum. The chances of him flipping red to me is much higher. Not only because of my previous game, but after some meta-diving and getting into koki's head. He's mafia, and he doesn't fear being caught. I don't think he likes this game that much.

Bad take

[Ruby Red]

Ruby's reads aren't to be trusted at all lol.
There easy to manipulate. They can be obv town when needed

LOL

[the worst]

I am a day cup
VOTE: Kokichi L-1 but he usually seems to squirm harder as scum

kokichi is town

UNVOTE:

my reason for getting off the Koki wagon and getting him off L-1 should be clear as day LMK if anyone needs more

[Tchill13]

Typical day 1. Nobody wants to lynch anybody lol.

If we wagon every single player then honestly there's no reason to wagon anyone at all. Feel free to do so though.

[the worst]

Worst: he voted prof, he spoke of checking my meta, later says this is his iconic townplay meta in the way he's been posting. All that meta talk just doesn’t sound townie, when combined with his pg 12 interactions with prof & mari (he still has a tr on mari). His continued vote on me is still mystifying, and not in a good way. Yet his scummy behavior to me, I wondered - is this too scummy to be scum? I considered that but no, my read is the same on him. I don't believe this is a case of that slot being too scummy to be scum. What's worrisome to me is nobody seems to believes me, but I don't like sitting my vote on a slot for this long when there are other productive cases. Mentioning the wagoning on koki by saying he doesn't want to go that route because he can get very annoying if town... what in the world? That just isn't a good reason.

most of this is wrong
none of it is AI
the fuck Performer?

[Ruby Red]

Ruby's reads aren't to be trusted at all lol.
There easy to manipulate. They can be obv town when needed

LOL

btw i can't see the reason as town you'd be saying this after 2005

[the worst]

Performer, my question in 170: You said you didn't understand the profii wagon, and that tw 'and others' were on the wagon for no reason, then you voted tw. So the question is why tw and not one of the others (specifically, unabombah, who joined the profii wagon after tw and before your vote)? I don't see that answer anywhere so if you can point it out, do so. All I can see is that you said that you didn't like tw's posts. Your only read of Una so far is in 311.

lucky ily

[the worst]

UNVOTE:

Why would you unvote i

hmm obvious reasons but if I saw this post I would've unvoted too

[Ruby Red]

1 sec

[Ruby Red]

yeah tchill can stay in wolf poe for now

[Ruby Red]

fuck i only have like 3 townreads

[the worst]

Azurit, what do you think of this koki wagon, how do you read koki right now?

Well, I think Koki looks like a townie that wants to play with mates from older games (#295 and #329). It is also extraordinary scum stil not to care about what other people think of you / wheter you help your team (same exampels). Even if my first evaluation of his play is propably wrong, I think it is very likely that Koki flips town.

It's very hard to get reads from the koki wagon. Maybe a very slight Chill town lean... but there are lots of things that need back ground informations about the players style.
If you want to have a look on my thoughts, you can read the spoiler.

Spoiler:

What don't you like about em Sivy

Conflict or Koki?

In the last game I played, Maestro continually had only one read the whole game. He was bound on getting virtuoso lynched. That was his only care. He was also really hard to put up with, and him and I had a blow out. Fights are uncomfortable, even if it isn't face-to face. It also makes the game awkward. He ended up being mafia.

Koki is doing the one read thing too. I wonder if it's a mafia thing?

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

That's a bad reason. Following this argument, I could say: "last game hello wrote some posts and fliped scum. Maybe writing posts is a scum thing. Vote xyz." Do you get what I mean? SIV has just a reason why someone can be scum, but there is no reason why Koki can't be a townie.
I'm not sure, wheter I should expect Civ to have better reasons than this one. Performer has made a similar mistake, so proparbly not.

VOTE: kokichi

L-2

I'm sorry, but I can't read this.

i thought i didnt have any experience of town!koki, but i just remembered i do ...

if anyone is bored enough to go through previous games (wiki), i played mafia month with town!koki and he did not do this hard push thing
i played one shot mafia with scum!koki where he did towards the end on a alleged result to win.

so it seems logical to assume this is scum koki

VOTE: koki

Same thing, I don't know older games and don't have time to look them up. I realy don't know wheter you're right.

I did not quote Performers vote, because that's a very long post. I think his post is strange, because he gives different cases depending on wheter profii is scum or not.
Unfortunaly there also are some townies making this mistake, even if I think this is more a scum thing (because in case of Performer!scum he already knows wheter Profii is scum).

VOTE: kokichi
I'd like to see where this goes

Can't read this, because I don't know their style.

VOTE: profii

that'd be too stupid for scum d1. waaaay too stupid. trading a townie for scum is fine especially day 1. So now either profii or kokichi is scum. I can't see kokichi being that stupid as scum.

VOTE: kokichi

i was gonna counter claim cop but profii didn't let me have my fun

To me it is autentical, that he flip flops between Koki and Profii because of the day cop claim. Maybe he would avoid doing that as scum, because many people say it is a scum tell to flip flop. I think in case of chill!scum he would also know that there is no cop in this game, because otherwise scum had to find the cop.
But that's a small town read, because there are also reasons to act like this as scum, even if they are less likely.

I think this is a scumpost TBH I'll reevaluate l8r

[the worst]

Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1

Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst

what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls

[Ruby Red]

@dunn and una if you're town start fucking doing something

[the worst]

Koki - do you think ruby red has enough experience playing with you to say you are town with confidence at this point?

Hes correctly scumread me as scum before so maybe

Maybe... TW would know that maybe

Or maybe happy coincidence maybe ?

Mini Normal 2005 I vigged Kokichi off Ruby's scumread

[MariaR]

Ruby's reads aren't to be trusted at all lol.
There easy to manipulate. They can be obv town when needed

LOL

btw i can't see the reason as town you'd be saying this after 2005

guess I hit a nerve~