SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Taly]

I'm up for voting and ranking.

[the worst]

How are you sure Dan, Shoshin, and DeasVail are likely town?

Does this impact your read on Screen?

did I say that?

Srceen I'm not ready to read with any kind of confidence. I've played with him as both alignments but treat it as dead null for me.

[the worst]

meant I like Dan and Shoshin for town rn btw

[the worst]

BP claim I initially thought was kinda ballsy and towny but in hindsight idrk why I thought that. Do you have an issue with my comments on Pun Taly?

[Shoshin]

Do you think Screen was being serious? lol, this question sounds much sassier than intended, btw.

The only game I've played with him is when he was town, and he made similar BS-type posts that made little sense. That's not enough to warrant a confident townlean from him, but with his recent posts bringing up scum possibilities, I think this is Screen at least appearing to be pro-town... by his standards.

I don't think Screen believes what he's saying.

Maria's response to that concerns me.

[Taly]

How are you sure Dan, Shoshin, and DeasVail are likely town?

Does this impact your read on Screen?

did I say that?

Srceen I'm not ready to read with any kind of confidence. I've played with him as both alignments but treat it as dead null for me.

not sure how to feel about the fact I don't think that team has any scum in it

If you don't think there's scum in

DeasVail, Dan, Shoshin

then could you elaborate why?

What was

Screen-scum

like to you in comparison to Echo Bay, where he was town?

BP claim I initially thought was kinda ballsy and towny but in hindsight idrk why I thought that. Do you have an issue with my comments on Pun Taly?

No, just wondering what made you change from somewhat towny to unsure.

Do you think Screen was being serious? lol, this question sounds much sassier than intended, btw.

The only game I've played with him is when he was town, and he made similar BS-type posts that made little sense. That's not enough to warrant a confident townlean from him, but with his recent posts bringing up scum possibilities, I think this is Screen at least appearing to be pro-town... by his standards.

I don't think Screen believes what he's saying.

Maria's response to that concerns me.

Chara

essentially agreed with her sentiments 175, are you concerned about that too?

[Taly]

I want

Fire

to post

[Taly]

Hi, this is a thing.

For my role, I need Fire Assassin to be rated highly today

And I am the antithesis, I need him to do poorly.

But that's cool bc he scum.

Missed this post

Is

Fire

your only scumread at the moment? If so, can you refresh my memory as to why?

[Taly]

Ok read up.

I'm giving screenplay a permanent 0 for 105

Other people low on the totem pole are Chara/Deas/Brawl though for Chara/Deas there were different points where each talking about Chara being townread for spurious reasons redeemed them a tad. Also I think it's clear they aren't scum together.

Brawl for this:

fire scums

@dunn and espeonage: do you just need him to be higher/lower than an average, or a certain mark? because we as a town could give him all 0s or all 10s to guarantee one of you gets the power

Thought process here is manufactured

Espe came off as stilted earlier but considering w.e this role mechanic that's going on between Dunnstral/Espe/Vax/FA might explain that somewhat aside from the fact that Espe's continued serious scum read on FA doesn't make sense to me.

There's not much clarity in this post.

1)

In light of

Screen's

posts, has your read or thought on him changed?

2)

Why is a permanent 0 a good idea when we haven't even reached page 10?

3)

What is manufactured about

TehBrawlGuy's

thinking?

I've only seen a very weak role mechanic claim between

Dunn/Espe

? Where does

Fa/Vax

come into this equation?

You stated

Chara/Deas

is clearly not scum together but you didn't explain why.

[Taly]

:/ I'm becoming paranoid that scum is both being townread and suspected at once

[Taly]

Pine fills the slot at light speed. Welcome him warmly.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Also:

disagree that pun's claim should be viewed as towny - BP is a very easy falseclaim to make, especially conditional where nobody can shoot safely to check it. I still read him as Town on tone, but I think giving him townpoints for the claim is bad logic.

Tonereads without meta or defined reasoning does not look like strong logic to me, either.

And if the claim shouldn't be viewed as towny - which is not the sole reason of my townread there at this point - then what's your take on it?

I get the point you're trying to make here, but it's an awful strawman to say that a tone read, which is explicitly a non-logical gut based reaction "isn't strong logic". It's not strong /or/ weak logic because it's inherently on a different axis. It's like going to a restaurant and complaining they don't serve good Chinese food there. Solid complaint at a Chinese place, but pretty misleading if you went to an Italian one.

My take on it, as is my take on most early claims, is that I don't really care. I could give you 5 reasons town!pun makes that claim and 5 reasons scum!pun makes it, but it's all baseless speculation.
From my experience, people like to read roles and claims a lot more than players (see also: some of the chatter on espe/dunn), and it's a mistake early in the game. Shelve the claims, develop reads on actual play.

Ehhh... I have reservations of literally pointing out someone and all of us collectively give them 0s. If they're town, that's basically a free sacrifice for scum.

That's just a mislynch though? I don't get why you're opposed to this. Yes, if we hit the wrong target, someone Town dies, because that's how lynches work - and we're not usually shy about lynching. I've been thinking about it more, and I'm strongly in favor of having two pseudo-lynches today. If we don't do that, I'd bet dollars to donuts Scum rank people weirdly to fuck with the numbers behind the scenes. The reasons for doing it to save another scummate are clear, but they also benefit from keeping someone Town alive who should've died to the ranking, because they'll enter D2 as mislynch bait.


In other news, Vax's recent prodge post bothers me. It's jokingly LAMIST, so you can't call it out as being LAMIST, but writing it that way obscures natural tone completely which is beneficial mainly if he's Scum. Also, generally, I feel like I see Scum make longer prodge posts rather than just posting "prodge" or w/e because they're afraid of being called out.

[Shoshin]

Chara essentially agreed with her sentiments 175, are you concerned about that too?

Yes.

[Srceenplay]

In post 177, Srceenplay wrote:
So scum is
Deasvail
The worst
Dan/Shoshin

Sounds good.


:/ Can you explain? Because you got townreads in here, and you also got iffy people in here.

DV opened the game feeling scumy. I’m not the only one to pick up on it either. Soon after their tone changes imo.
I don’t like it. They are trying to blend in more.

The worst. They had some interactions with someone on this list. Do remember what or who. (Maybe DV and Shoshin) It felt odd/fake. Maybe look back after my vacation. Also iirc the the last time the worst didn’t town read me he was scum.

Dan tried forcing a post of mine as a scum claim and Shoshin postering.


That’s all off of memory.

[Chara]

Srceen's post here gives me bad feelings about him.

Taly: didn't miss it, haven't had the energy to respond to most things so just picking easy ones. still sick. :>
hopefully the misery should be over soon.

[Pine]

doot

I haven't gotten around to reading. I plead babby. What should I know?

[Errantparabola]

I’m willing to keep track of faux voting.

[Dunnstral]

I've only seen a very weak role mechanic claim between Dunn/Espe? Where does Fa/Vax come into this equation?

Because I need FA higher than Vax and Espe needs Vax higher than FA

Not sure what you mean when you say the mechanical claim is "very weak" - you mean in provability or in relation to our alignments?

[Dunnstral]

meant I like Dan and Shoshin for town rn btw

Something about Shoshin is pinging me actually

[Pine]

Is this how I SUPP Mafia? Asking for a friend.

[Vaxkiller]

Congrats on your merfolk kid!

[NicoRobin]

Is this how I SUPP Mafia? Asking for a friend.

I'll rank you 10 just for that.

[the worst]

TALY STOP READING MY POSTS UNCRITICALLY

[the worst]

and also wrt srceen it would be anti town for me to explain what I find different about his play, I've played with him as scum once and town 3?+ times. Also read a few older games but he doesn't roll scum often.

[Srceenplay]

Srceen's post here gives me bad feelings about him.

Don’t read that one then.