Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

Mathdino · Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:42 am

Needless to say, a cop would claim their actual innocent but pretend that they're just a VT helping to give the cop cover.

BlackStar · Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:43 am

oh ok

BlackStar · Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:44 am

I have a hypo inno on ofhrz

Zoronos · Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:44 am

The NKA discussion is not super productive - NSG was basically cleared town for leading the push on JJH. There, good enough, let's move on to finding scum.

Hypo-inno allows him to not claim cop while leaving a result in case he gets shot in the night and is a cop.
For example,

hypo-inno on Ofrhz

-> I am the cop and I checked Ofrhz last night and she's town. Or maybe I'm not the cop. Who knows.

Obvious here if Blackstar is scum he knows Math isn't the cop, and if Ofrhz is scum she knows I'm not the cop. But it leaves Town a result in case one of us the cop and dies N2.

I'm working on some more VC coloration, I'll have that up shortly.

Mathdino · Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:45 am

Good point re: NSG, forgot about that.

I'll set up the vote counter so we can get some links to specific votes.

Don't work too hard. VCA is so much more fun in 2018.

Mathdino · Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:51 am

come gather round people
wherever ya roam
and admit that the waters around you have grown

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

Zoronos · Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:51 am

Spoiler: Ofrhz 1

Spoiler: Ofrhz 2

Spoiler: Ofrhz 3

Spoiler: post Ofrhz

Spoiler: the three way split

Spoiler: first momentum shift to JJH

Spoiler: pre jailer claim

Spoiler: post jailer claim

Blue is flipped town / un CC'ed town.
Green is my reads / results.
Red is flipped scum.
Black is ????.
I've demoted a couple town reads back to ??? territory, so some re-sort is in order.

Zoronos · Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:52 am

In post 1430, Mathdino wrote:come gather round people
wherever ya roam
and admit that the waters around you have grown
Spoiler: VoteCount Settings
priorVCNumber=0
url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76359
playerList=northsidegal{nsg},Mathdino{md},HeWhoSwims,pinturicchio,ofrhz,ruru,the worst{duck},jjh927,Zoronos,davesaz,BlackStar,Something_Smart,HitAlt
replacementList=
moderatorNames=Almost50
dayStartNumbers=2,1415
cleanDay=true
deadline=2018-06-21 14:30:00 -6.00
deadList=northsidegal-1,Something_Smart-1
voteOverrides=
Code: Select all
[spoiler=Day 1][/spoiler]

How do I use this?
Because if I can use this to do magic it would save me a lot of time.

Mathdino · Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:53 am

Votecount 2.1

Not Voting (10): Mathdino(7), HeWhoSwims(2), pinturicchio(0), ofrhz(0), ruru(0), the worst(0), Zoronos(2), davesaz(0), BlackStar(5), HitAlt(0)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-06-21 14:30:00)

MOD REMINDERSpinturicchio needs a prod. The last post was at: 6/5/2018 12:15:00 PM which was 2 days 1 hours 36 minutes 50 seconds ago.
ofrhz needs a prod. The last post was at: 6/5/2018 1:12:00 PM which was 2 days 0 hours 39 minutes 50 seconds ago.
ruru needs a prod. The last post was at: 6/5/2018 9:22:00 AM which was 2 days 4 hours 29 minutes 50 seconds ago.
the worst needs a prod. The last post was at: 6/5/2018 9:32:00 AM which was 2 days 4 hours 19 minutes 50 seconds ago.
davesaz needs a prod. The last post was at: 6/5/2018 1:04:00 PM which was 2 days 0 hours 47 minutes 50 seconds ago.
HitAlt needs a prod. The last post was at: 6/5/2018 12:15:00 PM which was 2 days 1 hours 36 minutes 50 seconds ago.

FLAVORThis is an automated vote count generated by a tool written by MathBlade. It goes much smoother with exact votes but will try to detect bold votes and misspellings. If you have issues during this beta, please get MathBlade.

and accept it that soon you'll be drenched
to the bone
if your time to you is worth savin'

HitAlt · Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:56 am

Hypo-inno on MathDino.

Mathdino · Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:56 am

THEN YA BETTER START SWIMMIN OR YOU'LL SINK LIKE A STONE
FOR THE TIMES
THEY ARE A CHAAAAANGIN

WAGONS(Sort By: Alphabetical Data Type: Simple LSort: On)

Spoiler: Day 1

Spoiler: Day 2

click on the links to go to specific votes
plan is to run through every jjh vote
he was almost certainly bussed
scum could've pushed through TW if they wanted to but they didn't

ISO · Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:01 am

I'mma prodge until vca is over

Mathdino · Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:03 am

I'd rather have a partner for VCA. I'll do the VCA but I need people to do some of the searching work for me.

Announce your hypoinno please.

The purity of the ofrhz wagon heavily implies scum were defending ofrhz for towncred. (or that ofrhz is scum I guess?)
jjh did exactly that. Mentioned ofrhz twice in his whole ISO.
So I could use an ISO dive on ofrhz and a search for people defending him.

ruru · Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:04 am

Peek BlackStar inno

In post 1418, Mathdino wrote:NSG being killed heavily implicates the worst, who I was just about to come into the day defending.

Heavily is a strong word for nka on a pseudo-IC

As far as I can tell scum.you might benefit more from nsg being dead than scum.tw does (not because of her d1 reads which are guaranteed to get wifomed, but because of familiarity)

I feel jjh not flipping rolecop also makes bussing somewhat less likely than otherwise

In post 1379, Mathdino wrote:Outside possibility of hws just suicide bombing jjh

Did either of them crumb

Please tell me yall crumbed

Also okay so I'm kinda curious what this was about

Would you seriously have considered lynching hws if jjh crumbed and hws didn't?

ofrhz · Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:04 am

Inno the worst

ISO · Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:06 am

In post 1437, Mathdino wrote:Announce your hypoinno please.

l8r

Mathdino · Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:07 am

In post 1435, Mathdino wrote:

jjh927 (6)
~
northsidegal, the worst, pinturicchio, ruru, Mathdino, BlackStar
1231

jjh927 (6)
~
northsidegal, the worst, ruru, BlackStar, HeWhoSwims, ofrhz
1346

Okay this is the most important part.

The first wagon is the one that got jjh to claim. The second one led to his lynch (I cast the hammer).

Notably:
- The most obvious busvote to me is pintu or TW. pintu is known to be a willing busser. TW busses when I'm around.
- ofrhz fills the spot of "lol let's pile onto my busted partner after he got cc'd"
- pintu on the other hand wasn't on the lynch wagon at all, haha. Possibly thought there'd be no cc?

VOTE: pintu
for now

ruru · Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:09 am

In post 121, HeWhoSwims wrote:What would you say the jailkeeper would ideally do?

I find voting for this d1 to be highly suspicious (ofrhz, davesaz)

Zoronos · Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:09 am

The post-claim wagon is useless, imo, since it heavily reflects who was present in the thread and not who was scum reading JJH.
No cred for being on a train driven entirely be counter-claiming-HWS.

I am more suspicious of the people that said 'I don't trust that claim' when JJH claimed JK than the people that piled back on after HWS countered. Town players have no specific reason to distrust the claim, whereas scum already know it's BS and are expecting the counter.

Zoronos · Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:10 am

Sorry, that was @Math.

ofrhz · Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:12 am

In post 1441, Mathdino wrote:
In post 1435, Mathdino wrote:

jjh927 (6)
~
northsidegal, the worst, pinturicchio, ruru, Mathdino, BlackStar
1231

jjh927 (6)
~
northsidegal, the worst, ruru, BlackStar, HeWhoSwims, ofrhz
1346
Okay this is the most important part.

The first wagon is the one that got jjh to claim. The second one led to his lynch (I cast the hammer).

Notably:
- The most obvious busvote to me is pintu or TW. pintu is known to be a willing busser. TW busses when I'm around.
- ofrhz fills the spot of "lol let's pile onto my busted partner after he got cc'd"
- pintu on the other hand wasn't on the lynch wagon at all, haha. Possibly thought there'd be no cc?

VOTE: pintu
for now

Doesn’t this make pintu more town

ruru · Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:12 am

Pin's kinda scummy to me except all the way back here there was this

In post 999, pinturicchio wrote:Yeah too late ofrhz I already figured it out, still think there's no relation between a bad vote and me being scum but sure you do you

VOTE: jjh this is a better vote for you

When we were scum together he tried really hard to not actually bus me, even though it looked like he was willing to lynch me and this feels way different from that (especially if ofrhz isn't scum, I guess this doesn't apply if ofrhz flips red though)

Are you calling him a willing busser based on games other than 1859?

davesaz · Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:14 am

hypo-inno Mathdino.

That data is hella useful. Gonna take me a bit to digest.
Pedit: it certainly generates content fast.

ofrhz · Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:14 am

In post 1442, ruru wrote:
In post 121, HeWhoSwims wrote:What would you say the jailkeeper would ideally do?
I find voting for this d1 to be highly suspicious (ofrhz, davesaz)

He said this right around the PR discussion

Mathdino · Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:16 am

In post 1438, ruru wrote:
In post 1418, Mathdino wrote:NSG being killed heavily implicates the worst, who I was just about to come into the day defending.
Heavily is a strong word for nka on a pseudo-IC

Explain how TW is a pseudo IC? NSG was very clear that jjh/TW is a viable pair. Yesterday's gamestate is explained by a scum vs scum vote count.

In post 1438, ruru wrote:As far as I can tell scum.you might benefit more from nsg being dead than scum.tw does (not because of her d1 reads which are guaranteed to get wifomed, but because of familiarity)

I mean.
You're not wrong.
I hate to use this as evidence but
Every single time I've been scum onsite and had the opportunity to nightkill a power role, I have. Every time.

I admit that HWS isn't the ideal shot since he's not actually doing anything as the jailkeeper.

So the only reason I'd have jjh claim jailkeeper is if I thought I knew who the cop or vig was, and thus didn't HAVE to out them. I play scum very mechanically. Which is helped by the fact that I can claim the title of the best current PR hunter onsite.

I would never have gone through all that to out a useless jailkeeper and then shoot a VT NSG anyway. So on that basis I feel like I should be confirmed town (or at least, knowing everything I know about myself, I'm objectively confirmed town). I accept if you think I'd WIFOM that up, but part of the reason I shoot PRs as scum (rather than WIFOMing) is specifically so I'm allowed to make this argument as town when VTs get killed.

And I'm sure as hell not sacrificing that reputation for a random open game that scum will probably lose anyway.

In post 1438, ruru wrote:I feel jjh not flipping rolecop also makes bussing somewhat less likely than otherwise

Yeah you might be right. Framer is the best scum role here IMO.
In the case of scum not-bussing, HitAlt is the clearest suspect I think.

In post 1438, ruru wrote:
In post 1379, Mathdino wrote:Did either of them crumb

Please tell me yall crumbed
Also okay so I'm kinda curious what this was about

Would you seriously have considered lynching hws if jjh crumbed and hws didn't?

Yes. I have a long history of scumreading PRs and I would have accepted "jjh is actually a PR" as a reason why my scumdar was wrong there.

But yeah HWS was very clearly jailkeeper from "WHAT SHOULD THE JK DO GUYS". And jjh is known to be capable of complex crumbing. So he probably made that shit up on the spot.