Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[pinturicchio]

Quick reminder: don't like the idea of hypoclaiming 'cause it gives information to the scumteam, reduces the pool of possible PRs, especially if one of the scums is being read as town (example: lot of hypoclaims on ruru, ruru was scum all along, now ruru knows who can't be cop); there are other subtle ways of revealing information in case the cop dies.

[Zoronos]

Every mention of Dave jjh made in this post

this actually doesn't feel as partnery

oh. right, good vote.
VOTE: davesaz

????

Doesn't feel partnery -> votes.
I feel a little lost here.

[Mathdino]

I think in practice that happens because people are bad at it, pintu. People on MS don't sell their hypo-innos well enough. When they do, that's really just a good argument for diversifying the hypo-claim pool.

An issue without hypoclaiming is honestly, cops with innos are super obvious if you know what to look for. So if it's between having a pool of maybe 4 possible cops vs one super obvious cop without any cover, I prefer teaching hypoclaiming.

You can feel free to do the "subtle indication of who my inno is" if you're the cop though.

Any thoughts re: reads?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: ruru

[Mathdino]

If NSG were here, she'd say "bad vote" and probably take townpoints away.

Upon review, NSG's only 2 strong townreads were BlackStar and ruru. We're not lynching either of them. In NSG's honour!!!

[the worst]

Every mention of Dave jjh made in this post

this actually doesn't feel as partnery

oh. right, good vote.
VOTE: davesaz

????

Doesn't feel partnery -> votes.
I feel a little lost here.

that would be a reason not to scumread jjh, not a reason not to scumread dave

I am blonde irl

[BlackStar]

I was looking back at the posts from around the time that everyone was voting jjh and to me it felt like ruru was freaking out a little and was trying to redirect our focus

[the worst]

ya the iconic situation is

Post 1000: hypo inno the worst
Post 1200: votes the worst

pedit: still think Ruru is town too, does she have a finished scumgame?

[pinturicchio]

An issue without hypoclaiming is honestly, cops with innos are super obvious if you know what to look for. So if it's between having a pool of maybe 4 possible cops vs one super obvious cop without any cover, I prefer teaching hypoclaiming.

This is a great point actually, never thought of that. Ok I'll follow you on the hypoclaiming then; almost everyone has done it so there's no point on holding it back

I hypoclaim an inno on BlackStar

[pinturicchio]

Any thoughts re: reads?

If you were talking to me: I'm catching up and reading Something_Smart's ISO; even if between the two it's pretty obvious NSG was the scum shot, there's a slight chance that the scumteam pushed SS on D1 and then shot him because of his reads. By Occam's razor, SS was the vigshot, but you know I love them tinfoil hats

[the worst]

........

@vig if you shot NSG last night I will cry for an entire year straight post-game

[Mathdino]

That's the towniest post pintu's made all game actually.

Inno: BlackStar, HWS
Town: Zor, ruru
Probtown: pintu

erryone else: HitAlt, ofrhz, the worst

Probscum: davesaz

the neverbus team is dave/HitAlt
i want dave's flip

[Mathdino]

BlackStar
HWS
Zoronos
ruru
pintu
the worst
ofrhz
HitAlt
davesaz

this is where i stand i think

[Zoronos]

That's the towniest post pintu's made all game actually.

What, how is that a towny post? It's a nonsense non-contribution.
It generates no read and no actionable information while looking like he did work.

HitAlt: Was the worst bussing yesterday on JJH, even though he was the second vote? And was JJH counter-busing him (being the second vote after you)?
Why / why not?

[pinturicchio]

BlackStar
HWS
Zoronos
ruru
pintu
the worst
ofrhz
HitAlt
davesaz

this is where i stand i think

Why is ofrhz so low? He was higher in your readlist before, what changed?

[Zoronos]

Hey Pintu:
Who is the scum and why?

[Mathdino]

I didn't say it was pro-town. It's probably anti-town, but that doesn't matter. It's just town-indicative. That kind of thing is outside pintu's scumrange.

Thoughts on reads list?

I want:

davesaz-scum --> HitAlt --> ofrhz --> the worst

davesaz-town --> ofrhz --> HitAlt --> the worst

vig the bottom section, copclear {worst, pintu, ruru} and we're good to go

Edit: @pintu: I'm unimpressed by their associatives, and my reasons for townreading him yesterday don't matter as much as flips do.

[pinturicchio]

It generates no read and no actionable information while looking like he did work.

Hey, I said what I was going to do, "generates no read and no actionable information" is a fact, but "looking like he did work" is your perception; don't say it like an asseveration. But I agree with the first two thing, I don't get why Dino said that post was townie either.

[pinturicchio]

Hey Pintu:
Who is the scum and why?

Are you starting this again? Again with the "if you don't say your reads I'm voting you" shit? I already said: I'm catching up, I'm reading SS' ISO and I'm going to contribute after that

[Mathdino]

I have unconventional but often correct reasons for townreading people

I prefer to keep my towntells diverse from the site's standard set of towntells. Means people have to really get to know me to figure out how to force a townread from me.

[Zoronos]

Pintu: Not all posts need to generate reads. Sometimes you do work and go "well, no result" and that's fine. But that's an NAI post, not a towny one. My problem isn't with your originating post; I felt it was NAI because it could be town going 'welp no result better luck next time' or scum trying to blend in. I, as town, evaluated both probabilities. I find Math's response incongruous because he didn't seem to be weighing the 'Maybe that's scum Pintu trying to active lurk' angle.

[pinturicchio]

vig the bottom section, copclear {worst, pintu, ruru} and we're good to go

Edit: @pintu: I'm unimpressed by their associatives, and my reasons for townreading him yesterday don't matter as much as flips do.

ruru is a bad copclear; from others' point of view, if you don't town it up at the end of the day, you are a great target to clear.

About edit: fair enough, makes sense. Just pinged me that he went from town to "I have to sort her"

[Zoronos]

I didn't say it was pro-town. It's probably anti-town, but that doesn't matter. It's just town-indicative. That kind of thing is outside pintu's scumrange.

Why is it town indicative?
I think it's NAI at best. I can easily see it being a portion of an active lurk strategy.

[Mathdino]

If pintu actually gets close to being lynched, I'll tell you. I don't see it as pro-town to talk about that. People will either sheep my townreads or they won't.

And if he gets run up despite me calling him town, they're probably not gonna listen to my one-post reason anyway (I just lost a game because people mislynched my unconventional townreads smh)

re: copclearing me: I still think I'm confirmed town by "why would Mathdino sacrifice his PR hunting meta just to shoot a VT NSG". But I would understand being copcleared, sure.

[pinturicchio]

Pintu: Not all posts need to generate reads. Sometimes you do work and go "well, no result" and that's fine. But that's an NAI post, not a towny one. My problem isn't with your originating post; I felt it was NAI because it could be town going 'welp no result better luck next time' or scum trying to blend in. I, as town, evaluated both probabilities. I find Math's response incongruous because he didn't seem to be weighing the 'Maybe that's scum Pintu trying to active lurk' angle.

Zoronos, what I said is that I agree with you; I too think my post was NAI and felt that Dino's townlean on me because of that post was weird. I disagreed with your "while looking like he did work" 'cause that's an opinion, and you gave two facts together with that opinion. Blending in an opinion with two facts to make it look like a fact is a no no for me, so I commented it, that's all.