Mini Normal 2012: Tropical Mafia [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 4.01

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(7): Havo, Judge Joseph Dredd, texcat, bacy, Mumble, havingfitz, Gustavo

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The day 4 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-06-20 17:06:59)

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[Mumble]

Is it time for a mass claim?

This is blatant PR hunting IMHO.

Uh.... dude, it’s most likely LYLO.

You need to answer my questions. A "reaction test" is not an answer. There is no way you do not have an opinion on my slot at this point, and to continue to claim so (after a town read yesterday) in LyLo is a scumclaim.

Answer my questions in your next post, or I will vote you and see what happens.

I don’t do threats. Vote me. I dare you too.

VOTE: Havo

[Havo]

Take your vote off Mumble.

Dear god I'm about done with this site.

[Mumble]

UNVOTE:

[Mumble]

Answer my questions then.

[Havo]

IN the name of team play, I'll answer your questions in a few, helping my son with something atm.

[Mumble]

I mean, part of the problem with this game is that 4 out of the 7 alive players have been largely inactive this game. If there is more than one scum outside that group then we deserve a loss because we let each other tear us apart while scum sat silent.

Refusing to answer questions is part of the problem.

So, deal with rl, then come back and answer instead of viewing it as a thread (even though I already asked you without the threat).

[havingfitz]

part of the problem with this game is that 4 out of the 7 alive players have been largely inactive this game.

Agreed. Myself included.

[havingfitz]

interesting that you're using 'town is screwed' instead of 'we're screwed'

Brilliant. der hrrr

[Havo]

Invisibility, join me on Mumble!

you were literally voting me a few posts ago what

While pushing Fitz as scum.

I really dislike this, I push people all the time while voting someone else. And I hate when people tell me how to use my vote. Just because I'm voting someone doesn't even mean I think they're scum, it's usually to see their reaction to being voted. It helps me read them, and there's a lot of times I'll think someone else is scummier but I want to get the reaction from my vote before I move it.

And I'm not saying this is what Shoshin was doing, but I can see myself doing it pretty easy. I just don't like the push from Mumble.

I'm a scumread.

Nope, just said I didn't like the push

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I woulnd't argue against a Mumble lynch either. Mumble is always a difficult read for me.

I'm a scumread

Nope, just saying I wouldn't oppose your lynch because I have a hard time reading you.

I'm leaning town on Mumble and my Shoshin read went from Almost Hard town on Day 1 to not so much throughout the day 2.

Why did I change to a townread?

My read on Shoshin changed due to her bad posts, thus made me give you more credit since you had been hard pushing her, so yeah, I started leaning town on you.

All I know is I didn't receive a fruit and I'm town as fuck.

No, you're not.

BBT getting roleblocked makes a lot of sense with an Invisibility/Mumble team.

No, it doesn't. Why would scum with a RB roleblock an unknown slot versus a known PR? Makes no sense.

More likely, you are caught scum scrambling.

Is it possible BBT was Jailkept?

Why ask me this specifically, and not that BBT was Roleblocked?

No one had mentioned JK, and you were present and in discussion mode, so I wanted to engage you and get your opinion.

VOTE: Havo

Havo's probably scum based on his response to BBT's claim as well as his overall lack of engagement with the game.

I'm not going to hold this against you, I want that noted so when I vote you no one can say it's an OMGUS vote.

And sure, go ahead and tell us who's the scum team. But even by some crazy chance you flip town, I'm not going to put a lot of stock in it.

It's looking like Mumble was right all along. I town read you early but it was based mainly on gut, your Day 2 was bad and only got worse the longer it went.

But just for giggles, can you explain how my response to BBT's claim means I'm scum?

Still pushing the scum!Shoshin...meaning I'm still town.

No...you're are trying to muddy up the gamestate. That's why I want your lynch sooner rather than later.

I don't disagree with this.

VOTE: ShoShin

Still agreeing with me.

So, why am I now scum and not town who was wrong? BBT was town who hardpushed two town slots as scum.

Explain your swap on me, and why I am now scum.

Reaction test, pure and simple, you've actually backed it up for me.
I think you are most likely town yes. Thus I'm answering your questions.

[Havo]

damn, screwed that up.

[Mumble]

Still readable. Thank you.

Your thoughts on Texcat and Dredd?

[Havo]

1 - Nope, just saying I didn't like the push
2 - Nope, Just saying I wouldn't fight a Mumble lynch because you're a tough read for me.
3 - The more Shoshin posted the worse she looked, so I started to come around that you were probably onto something with here. So yeah, I started to give you town cred
4 - No one had brought up JK, and you were online discussing possibilities. I wanted your opinion on it.

[Havo]

Still readable. Thank you.

Your thoughts on Texcat and Dredd?

I could easily see Texcat being scum, Dredd I give a lot more town cred too because of Jodax play.

Tex hasn't done anything that I remember, I have to look through his ISO to even remember he's in the game.
Dredd seems to be a bit non chalant, but I'm not familiar with his play.

[Havo]

I like the play of Gus, or at least he's shown some passion

HF I'm not sure on.

I want to go back and ISO a few players, should be able to tomorrow.

[Havo]

Still readable. Thank you.

Your thoughts on Texcat and Dredd?

How do you see HF?

[Havo]

i think we should be lynching in havingfitz/havo/judge today

So I assume you're town reading Texcat?

and the ones not on that list?

[Mumble]

I'm like 95% sure that Shoshin is flipping scum here though.

Invisibilities posting around his lynch makes me think he is town.

VOTE: Invisibility

LOL. That's bloody messed up indeed! So, he has a guilty through his own action but is using someone else's posting to force a reversal on his read from 95% scum to town??

VOTE: BBT

P-edit: @BBT: What good are night actions then? You could -at least- try to figure out what happened, but you're ignoring the whole thing.

JJD and Dread works for me.

Now Vote Invisibility. Thanks.

Fine

VOTE: Invis

From my own PoV, if this flips Scum both BBT and Shoshin are less likely scum, but according to JarJar all 3 could be scum (so it doesn't mater which of them we lynch).

BBT claimed Loyal Fruit Vendor and claims to have given Shoshin fruit which Shoshin says she didn't receive.

So Shoshin is guilty or BBT got blocked. Which is more likely? Has BBT been solidly present on D1?

Doesn't even consider that BBT could be scum.

Did I really not say anything? Maybe I had the conversation in my head and not in thread?

Scum!BBT faking a guilty through a fruit vendor role is ridiculous. HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PROVE HIS ROLE THE NEXT NIGHT OR GET LYNCHED.

So, it the ONLY way BBT could have been scum is WITH SHOSHIN. Now why would SHOSHIN DENY RECEIVING FRUIT in that situation? It implicated at least one of the two. No too bright a move either.

However, Shoshin could be scum with Town!BBT. Either that or BBT GOT ROLEBLOCKED.

If you can't go threw this very simple logic then I don't know what to say to you.

This series of posts concern me about Dredd.

[Mumble]

How do you see HF?

Quite possibly third scum. He's done fuck all this game. However, that also means less interactions to go off of. If we weren't in LyLo I would advocate to lynch him, but I don't think he should be lynched today.

[Havo]

I'm like 95% sure that Shoshin is flipping scum here though.

Invisibilities posting around his lynch makes me think he is town.

VOTE: Invisibility

LOL. That's bloody messed up indeed! So, he has a guilty through his own action but is using someone else's posting to force a reversal on his read from 95% scum to town??

VOTE: BBT

P-edit: @BBT: What good are night actions then? You could -at least- try to figure out what happened, but you're ignoring the whole thing.

JJD and Dread works for me.

Now Vote Invisibility. Thanks.

Fine

VOTE: Invis

From my own PoV, if this flips Scum both BBT and Shoshin are less likely scum, but according to JarJar all 3 could be scum (so it doesn't mater which of them we lynch).

BBT claimed Loyal Fruit Vendor and claims to have given Shoshin fruit which Shoshin says she didn't receive.

So Shoshin is guilty or BBT got blocked. Which is more likely? Has BBT been solidly present on D1?

Doesn't even consider that BBT could be scum.

Did I really not say anything? Maybe I had the conversation in my head and not in thread?

Scum!BBT faking a guilty through a fruit vendor role is ridiculous. HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PROVE HIS ROLE THE NEXT NIGHT OR GET LYNCHED.

So, it the ONLY way BBT could have been scum is WITH SHOSHIN. Now why would SHOSHIN DENY RECEIVING FRUIT in that situation? It implicated at least one of the two. No too bright a move either.

However, Shoshin could be scum with Town!BBT. Either that or BBT GOT ROLEBLOCKED.

If you can't go threw this very simple logic then I don't know what to say to you.

This series of posts concern me about Dredd.

comes across to me as a bit aloof, that's what I meant by Non Chalant. (I need to learn the spelling for that)
I'm not familiar with his play style. I could see it as him being less invested since he replaced in.

[Mumble]

My issue is almost exclusively with his vote on BBT based on JJD's "case" then swap to Invis based on a simple request from BBT (a post later).

then why did u vote for BBT shortly after? Was my case that convincing ?

then why did u vote for BBT shortly after? Was my case that convincing ?

You do have a way of stating your cases, yes.

I left this out of my chain earlier. If the case was convincing, why did a simple request change his vote?

[texcat]

Lynch this:

Judge Joseph Dredd

- See Gustavos post about him playing the "too dumb for scum" card. There's just no way in hell he comes to the the conclusion that shosh is town and not address BBTs guilty on him. This is the next lynch for sure. Even if by some chance shosh doesnt flip scum it's the next lynch.

If you're making a case against Dredd, you should include the fact that JarJar was the NK after the above post.

[Mumble]

Why? What information to get from that?

[texcat]

Why do you think JarJar was the NK?

[Mumble]

Why do you think JarJar was the NK?

Could have been done because scum was scared that JarJar would have made a hard push on Dredd and been successful. Could have been because scum wanted to setup Dredd and have us believe my aforementioned statement. Could have been a random kill. Could have been for some other unknown reason.

I don't know why, and I don't see how speculating on it is helpful.