SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Srceenplay]

and also wrt srceen it would be anti town for me to explain what I find different about his play, I've played with him as scum once and town 3?+ times. Also read a few older games but he doesn't roll scum often.

What’s/why is anti town?

[the worst]

and also wrt srceen it would be anti town for me to explain what I find different about his play, I've played with him as scum once and town 3?+ times. Also read a few older games but he doesn't roll scum often.

What’s/why is anti town?

uh

[DeasVail]

In post 177, Srceenplay wrote:
So scum is
Deasvail
The worst
Dan/Shoshin

Sounds good.


:/ Can you explain? Because you got townreads in here, and you also got iffy people in here.

DV opened the game feeling scumy. I’m not the only one to pick up on it either. Soon after their tone changes imo.
I don’t like it. They are trying to blend in more.

The worst. They had some interactions with someone on this list. Do remember what or who. (Maybe DV and Shoshin) It felt odd/fake. Maybe look back after my vacation. Also iirc the the last time the worst didn’t town read me he was scum.

Dan tried forcing a post of mine as a scum claim and Shoshin postering.


That’s all off of memory.

Hey screenplay,

Why am I scum for starting the game off in a friendly manner and then later getting more serious?

Why does the fact that other people suspect me justify your own suspicion?

[DeasVail]

In regards to the whole pseudolynch thing, I’m actually not that big on the idea. I don’t know which approach is more pro-town but in a game day that has a different lynch mechanic, I think it’s kind of boring to try and make it a normal day of mafia. Let’s go with this interesting and suspenseful Day 1 mechanic imo!

Also I kind of like the idea of people doing their secret ballot thing and then being held accountable afterwards.

Buttt, if all you cool cats want to do things the traditional way I’ll play along I guess

With ever so slight reluctance!

[DeasVail]

I guess my rationale is that the traditional voting and lynching style of mafia is going to be much more familiar to scum, and this they will be able to more comfortably navigate it.

Whereas the SUPP mechanic is a lot less familiar and so I think scum won’t be as confident in not getting caught out by it. I’m thinking about the long game here.

[the worst]

Sup DV?

[DeasVail]

Sup DV?

Just got back to Sydney from Lithgow for the weekend! (I don’t know where in Aus you’re from so this could be meaningless). And I have the long weekend off which is really nice

What about you?

[Taly]

Before I get to replies, is ANYONE on the same page in this game?

[DeasVail]

Before I get to replies, is ANYONE on the same page in this game?

How do you expect people to respond to this?

[Taly]

Before I get to replies, is ANYONE on the same page in this game?

How do you expect people to respond to this?

Don't evade the question

If you're going to respond to the question, then

answer

it.

If you would say what you've already said before:

"there's not much at the moment for many defined stances"

, then do something to help change that.

If you would say that you've ALREADY made a few stances, which you have, then talk to me about the people who don't share your thoughts.

[Taly]

My take on it, as is my take on most early claims, is that I don't really care. I could give you 5 reasons town!pun makes that claim and 5 reasons scum!pun makes it, but it's all baseless speculation.
From my experience, people like to read roles and claims a lot more than players (see also: some of the chatter on espe/dunn), and it's a mistake early in the game. Shelve the claims, develop reads on actual play.

Meh... Do you have a read on their play, then?

I just don't get tonereads, as in, I'm not someone who uses tone to gamesolve, usually.

I'm very case-style, and that doesn't merge too well with current site-meta.

I'm having second thoughts on

Fire

. I didn't like that they minimized me trying to interact with them. I can't tell if he was playstyle clashing with me or overtly trying to dismiss me. He could've easily responded to my points, and instead he found reasons to state that I wasn't oriented to gamesolving. 84 - 87 and 88

I also don't know what to think about

Espe

and

Dunn's

claims at the moment. I don't have a strong read on either of them, and coincidentally, I'm leaning to the suspicion side for

Vax

and

Fire

.

Vax

because he's just drifting in the game and fluffposting; like an active lurker.

Fire

because I'm afraid I'm townreading scum, and he would be the first person I'd rethink.

If I had to number based off reads, I'd put them all near mid-range, but I don't think that's optimal.

How do you feel about these 4?

Ehhh... I have reservations of literally pointing out someone and all of us collectively give them 0s. If they're town, that's basically a free sacrifice for scum.

That's just a mislynch though? I don't get why you're opposed to this. Yes, if we hit the wrong target, someone Town dies, because that's how lynches work - and we're not usually shy about lynching. I've been thinking about it more, and I'm strongly in favor of having two pseudo-lynches today. If we don't do that, I'd bet dollars to donuts Scum rank people weirdly to fuck with the numbers behind the scenes. The reasons for doing it to save another scummate are clear, but they also benefit from keeping someone Town alive who should've died to the ranking, because they'll enter D2 as mislynch bait.

I'd rather not mislynch at all. If I were going to put someone at a 0 as a scumread, I'd be weary on whether everyone's doing it or not.

Is there anyone that has warranted a 0 from you, yet?

Chara essentially agreed with her sentiments 175, are you concerned about that too?

Yes.

Think it's town-motivated?

In post 177, Srceenplay wrote:
So scum is
Deasvail
The worst
Dan/Shoshin

Sounds good.


:/ Can you explain? Because you got townreads in here, and you also got iffy people in here.

DV opened the game feeling scumy. I’m not the only one to pick up on it either. Soon after their tone changes imo.
I don’t like it. They are trying to blend in more.

The worst. They had some interactions with someone on this list. Do remember what or who. (Maybe DV and Shoshin) It felt odd/fake. Maybe look back after my vacation. Also iirc the the last time the worst didn’t town read me he was scum.

Dan tried forcing a post of mine as a scum claim and Shoshin postering.

That’s all off of memory.

My biggest question on

DV

is that they're very fluid, and not making any harsher pushes in the game.

I don't know if that's playstyle, but even then, I'm not sure if it's town-motivated or scum-motivated. What's scummy there?

And what felt fake about

the worst

?

Srceen's post here gives me bad feelings about him.

Taly: didn't miss it, haven't had the energy to respond to most things so just picking easy ones. still sick. :>
hopefully the misery should be over soon.

I'm waiting

I've only seen a very weak role mechanic claim between Dunn/Espe? Where does Fa/Vax come into this equation?

Because I need FA higher than Vax and Espe needs Vax higher than FA

Not sure what you mean when you say the mechanical claim is "very weak" - you mean in provability or in relation to our alignments?

Mostly relation to your alignments, because none of you are a confident read.

How do you feel about the other 3 people involved in your claim?

TALY STOP READING MY POSTS UNCRITICALLY

What makes you think I haven't been critical?

and also wrt srceen it would be anti town for me to explain what I find different about his play, I've played with him as scum once and town 3?+ times. Also read a few older games but he doesn't roll scum often.

Yeah, I don't quite get this post...

[Taly]

Some of my lowest scores:

VOTE: ActionDan

You've posted elsewhere onsite since my previous post asking you to clarify yourself.

There's also multiple people that have questioned you and you haven't given

~

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Reads on

Espe, Dunn, and Fire

.

~

VOTE: PenguinPower

You wanted votes, and here's one.

Have any other commentary on the game? Because your posting is pretty easy to overlook.

~~~

Nico and Reuben

are also low-tier.

[Taly]

Some of my lowest scores:

VOTE: ActionDan

You've posted elsewhere onsite since my previous post asking you to clarify yourself.

There's also multiple people that have questioned you and you haven't given

any answers or reply.

lol my brain stopped

[Taly]

Is this how I SUPP Mafia? Asking for a friend.

That's so cute

Pine

Congratulations!

Want to something else that's cute? <3 Reads!!

[Taly]

[Errantparabola]

Prodding:

Fire Assassin
ReubenWasFine
ActionDan
Punreader

[Taly]

YAS QUEEN

CALL EM OUT.



Also, is this color legal in this thread? I know it can look similar to the mod-color for some people, so I'm just wondering

[Vaxkiller]

I don't know how to scum hunt when I can't try to read peoples reasons and motivations for voting and jumping on and off wagons. This is hard. This is going to be an easy scum win I think.

If we have any chance of winning this we need to coordinate that the 1st post of EVERY FUCKING DAY everyone claims their submitted numbers.

Whats going to happen tonight is this: Everyone is going to submit thier numbers and more than likely lurkers/low content people/anyone who is being shaded in the thread are going to die, because this is more of a consensus, instead of pushing people to vote a specific way.

On one hand it's completely Democratic... no people will be trying to change someone mind, or making deals, or caving into peer pressure. On the other hand, I can see this being a bad thing.

Instead of bitching about it im going to try and change the tide.

EVERYONE here is going to give tehbrawlguy a 0. We are lycnhign him tonight, hands down. Im open to the other person who gets killed.

[Srceenplay]

EVERYONE here is going to give tehbrawlguy a 0. We are lycnhign him tonight, hands down. Im open to the other person who gets killed.

No

[Taly]

I'm open to doing this as a unit, and I've been very clear with how I'll do my reads.

I'm claiming my numbers each time I make a readslist, and I'm probably going to have more readslists in this game than I do in most of my games.

I'm also not opposed to giving lurkers low-scores, but that may give deepwolfs a good grace. I'd rather keep lurkers low, while pushing for potential scumreads. Hence I'm voting and ranking simultaneously. That BEGS interactions in this game, which I think could very greatly help town later.

Furthermore,

Vax

, can you tell me why

TehBrawlGuy

is a good consensus kill? I'm not a huge fan of his posts, but I'm not seeing things that blatantly point to scum.

Also, why is the 2nd slot for a kill open? Do you just not have many townreads?

lol, this playerlist is a bitch to try and read accurately, I just realized that. XD

[Taly]

I don't know how to scum hunt when I can't try to read peoples reasons and motivations for voting and jumping on and off wagons. This is hard. This is going to be an easy scum win I think.

I don't see the point in this part, though. Seems unnecessary.

I've already asked you a question regarding the claims involving you and the reads there.

[Taly]

EVERYONE here is going to give tehbrawlguy a 0. We are lycnhign him tonight, hands down. Im open to the other person who gets killed.

No

If you're going to say "no" then give a reason or suggest an alternative route.

The only reads I'm seeing that people have generally agreed with have come pretty easily and without much evolving information.

(Townreads on the worst/Chara and Scumreads on DeasVail/Screenplay - as a FEW examples.

Other than that, there's not a lot of cohesion, and I get that this is only D1, but in this setup - it's vital.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm also not opposed to giving lurkers low-scores,

And this is where we are all going to fail.

[Vaxkiller]

Furthermore, Vax, can you tell me why TehBrawlGuy is a good consensus kill? I'm not a huge fan of his posts, but I'm not seeing things that blatantly point to scum.

I have 0 reads. Thebrawlguy seems like a great place to start. (If you want to call that a read, go ahead.) But I want to push somewhere get some info, maybe a claim, then go from there. Killing lurkers overnight is fucking stupid. I wanted planned executions. Killing unplanned lurkers is dumb

[Vaxkiller]

Like, if I were scum I would just point out posts that look scummy and point out posts that look town, without really pushing people to do anything. Why bother sticking your head out there. Just lurk the fuck out of it while looking like you are "contributing good info"

Instead I want to take responsibility. I wanted PLANNED executions. Right now my plan is to kill thebrawlguy. The rest of my list is still forming. You will likely get a 5 or something, because like I said earlier. I really dont know how to read you.