Gerrymandering Shadow Government Democracy Mafia Endgame

[Ruby Red]

i mean obvs i still consider people not in the party. i trust the duckys reads for example even though theyre also running for pres. i was just saying that in terms of the party chat.

[mutantdevle]

I don't see much advantage in trying as hard as we can to make this a normal game of mafia with inconvenient lynching mechanics. I also don't see how electing obvtown and letting them kill without mafia evidence is worse than letting mafia vote and influence our lynch. Obviously we still do discussion as normal, just with the absence of voting for a lynch.

what does this mean btw?

I think we should elect obvtown and let them have authority over the lynch, taking non-binding advice from the other players.

I think having any 1 person deciding the lynch is fundamentally a bad idea. There is no

gurantee

that this 'obvious townie' isn't just a deep wolf and this policy just enables them to have their way with the lynch. Besides, being obviously townie =!= good reads. I do think we should be voting people based on how townie they are rather than the strength of their reads though.

[Ausuka]

There is no

gurantee

that this 'obvious townie' isn't just a deep wolf and this policy just enables them to have their way with the lynch.

I think there are several players in this game who can be metaread to the extent that they are basically guaranteed to be town. Also if the towniest player to the game (or close to it) is scum we just lose anyway.

Besides, being obviously townie =!= good reads.

Well yeah? The majority of players generally don't have good reads either and town gets lynched most of the time. If we elect competent obvious town I believe that can optimize our odds of lynching scum.

[hebichan]

Well, I don't feel like being a candidate because I'm not a good day one player and I can't really convince people of anything... sooo


Right now, I'm of the mind that we should look at how the districts are formed right now. It seems like New York and Mayfair are a bit larger, and its not really an even distribution. It feelsl ike this is used to dilute some town votes a bit.

I mean, yeah, we should elect obvious town, but we can't really do that unless a lot of each district agree on who competent town are.

As for Not Known's proposal, I'm not going to tailor my play to a strict set of rules like that, its anti-fun and can easily lead to mislynches because town players are often illogical.

[Invisibility]

i wonder if scum put it's members in the small districts in order to be able to get a majority easier?

[Invisibility]

where they consider New York and Theme Park unwinnable

[hebichan]

Can anyone explain Ruby's towngame to me? I've never played with them and they seem pretty sure of themselves.

[Ruby Red]

Well, I don't feel like being a candidate because I'm not a good day one player and I can't really convince people of anything... sooo


Right now, I'm of the mind that we should look at how the districts are formed right now. It seems like New York and Mayfair are a bit larger, and its not really an even distribution. It feelsl ike this is used to dilute some town votes a bit.

I mean, yeah, we should elect obvious town, but we can't really do that unless a lot of each district agree on who competent town are.

As for Not Known's proposal, I'm not going to tailor my play to a strict set of rules like that, its anti-fun and can easily lead to mislynches because town players are often illogical.

imo speculating on the distribution can't give anything concrete until later in the game.

wolfy last line

Can anyone explain Ruby's towngame to me? I've never played with them and they seem pretty sure of themselves.

"explain ruby's towngame"?

wth does this mean

[hebichan]

pedit: are you cognizant of whom ruby-Chan IS...

I am not.

basically a god of townplay

not actually a god, but basically a god

Basically.. what got you this reputation?

[Nosferatu]

ego ill wake up later

[Blind Bandits]

ego ill wake up later

ya boi

[Edosurist]

So far, this is what I'm understanding from the candidates, as far as how they will decide their lynch. I'm also applying labels because labels are fun and flavorful:

• FD
  (
  Ausukan Practicalism
  ) - re-evaluate and discuss their choices with town, would vote both scum and anti-town players.
• Ruby
  (
  Elitism
  ) - lynch discussion and decision mostly by party with the inclusion of some trusted players
• mutant
  (
  Direct Democracy
  ) - elect the towniest, follow town consensus
• NK15
  (
  Athenian Democracy
  , subset of Direct) - lynch by town vote and consensus, with strict framework and punishment for insubordination

Personally, I'm in favor of the practical method, but I'm not ready to say I want FD making my choice. I haven't seen anything from them that shows a scumread.

In no particular order:
Town - Invisibility, Ruby, NK15, hebichan
Scum - mutant

The other thing is scum surely want to get at least one candidate in consideration for president. For Central Park, that looks like mutant. For Mayfair Club, 123456789 is potentially an important swing vote between Ruby and FD. NK15's candidacy doesn't look anything like a scum move to me.

[Firebringer]

I haven’t read anything what’s going on

[hebichan]

I haven’t read anything what’s going on

We're discussing who to vote for and why the mafia made the districts how they did.

[Ausuka]

I don't think there's any point in discussing the districts. There's no way to tell what the mafia were thinking and what they did with the districts, and even if we could work that out I don't think it would do much good for us.

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[hebichan]

You don't think we couldn't get some scumreads off people based on district placement?

Well, alright, not going to force you into a conversation you don't want.

What party looks best to you right now, considering two of the candidates are your two top town reads?

[Ausuka]

Who do you believe is scum based on district placement? I don't see how we can identify scum based on their district placement but feel free to prove me wrong.

Ruby's party is the best because she's more likely to be town than the others. NK15 is town too but joining his party would imply I support ideas which I don't support.

[mutantdevle]

@Aronis, would you say that your own reads are typically bad?

Because I'm bad at reading players.
I'm pretty sure Nico is bad at reading players.

So if you are also typically bad with your reads, then I think we found the reason for why us 3 are in central park.

And that would tell us that scum is more likely to be within the players that know the 3 of us.

[Invisibility]

Who do you believe is scum based on district placement? I don't see how we can identify scum based on their district placement but feel free to prove me wrong.

i think we can only get speculative groups of people that could be scum right now

[hebichan]

Who do you believe is scum based on district placement? I don't see how we can identify scum based on their district placement but feel free to prove me wrong.

Ruby's party is the best because she's more likely to be town than the others. NK15 is town too but joining his party would imply I support ideas which I don't support.

For example, scum probably spread themselves out, so if we identify extremely towny people in certain districts, we could probably weed out a scum out of one or two of those.

It might also help alleviate a problem of scum lurkers vs town lurkers, which I've noticed in my past few games.

I don't have any definitive reads yet, because only a small amount of players have talked so far, but as someone else mentioned, if you town read both ruby and FD, there's a good chance 123456 could be scum.

I mean, I could be wrong about all of this, sure, but I think we should keep it in mind as its sort of the main concept of this game.

[mutantdevle]

Yo so I'm fairly certain I could probably pull some information out of the district arrangement because I like to setup spec and stuff. My problem is, I don't have the meta-knowledge of everyone to do that effectively. So I'd like to request 2 things:

First of all,

@everyone

please provide a list of everyone on this player list and specify if {You've never played with them before | You've played with them once | You've played with them multiple times | You've hosted a game they were in}

From that information, I'd hope to extract which players are likely to have been placed randomly and which were probably placed methodologically.


Secondly, if anyone is either hugely familiar with everyone here OR is really good at meta diving, I'd really appreciate their help in finding specific information about people.


I'm finally finishing my coursework for college soon but after that is finished I will focus on trying to narrow down the lynch pool by looking at the district placements and meta diving people's relationships with each other. I will record my theorising in my party PT and publically post what I think is necessary.

[mutantdevle]

For the record, if I am killed for my theorising, then the scum team definitely knows me.

[hebichan]

1. FIGHTING DREAMERS (the worst / SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis hydra) Played with the worst multiple times, never Saske
2. NicoRobin Played with once that I can recall, maybe twice?
3. Firebringer played with multiple times
4. Iconeum never played with
5. Hebichan - its me, I am the one!
6. ArcAngel9- played with once or twice
7. Edosurist-never
8. Myloninja13-never
9. 123456789-uhh... maybe?
10. Wraith- played with a few times
11. Blind Bandits (Nosferatu / Purrcocet hydra)- played with both hydras
12. Aronis- played with a bunch
13. Ruby Red- never
14. Tazaro- like once
15. Not Known 15-never
16. Ausuka-never
17. Whemestar-a few times
18. Invisibility-never
19. mutantdevle-I think once?

[Invisibility]

i've played with tw multiple times, i felt like i played with NicoRobin but apparently not?, i played with Mylo multiple times, i've played with Purrcocet
everyone else is never played with or playing with in game that isn't over

[Ausuka]

I think there's a very reasonable chance we have at least 1 all-town group of 3. And to me the placement is all WIFOM because the mafia control it. Like, mafia could have put most of their members in New York or Theme Park to spread WIFOM and/or get a guaranteed Mafia-controlled seat. Or they could have put 2-3 members in a group of 3. There's no way to tell and that's why I don't think we should do speculation on that- I think just regular scumhunting will end up being a lot more productive.

Spoiler: My experience with players going off memory

FIGHTING DREAMERS (the worst / SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis hydra)- Have played with both heads multiple times.
NicoRobin- Never played with outside marathons.
Firebringer- Played with once.
Iconeum- Played with multiple times.
Hebichan- Never played with.
ArcAngel9- Never played with, have modded a game with them in it.
Edosurist- Played with once.
Myloninja13- Played with multiple times.
123456789- Played with multiple times, have modded a game with them in it.
Wraith- Never played with.
Blind Bandits (Nosferatu / Purrcocet hydra) Have played with both heads multiple times.
Aronis- Never played with.
Ruby Red- Played with multiple times.
Tazaro- Never played with.
Not Known 15- Never played with.
Whemestar- Played with once.
Invisibility- Played with once.
mutantdevle- Played with once.