Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[Almost50]

Sharing is Caring D2 VC #6

HitAlt (2): the worst, Mathdino,
pinturicchio (2): ofrhz, ruru,

Not Voting: HeWhoSwims, HitAlt, Zoronos, pinturicchio, davesaz, BlackStar,

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

(expired on 2018-06-21 21:15:00)

ANOTHER PAGETOP!

[BlackStar]

Penny for your thoughts BlackStar

Especially if you have thoughts on Pintu or HitAlt

I'm not sure about pintu but hitalt doesn't seem as good as he did on day 1

[HitAlt]

HitAlt, you never answered this:

In such a world, do you think third scum is more likely to be on-wagon or off-wagon? Obviously the theoretical third scum couldn't have been on the_worst since that wagon was just you and JJH.

Why would the third scum have been on TW?
They didn't want the buss on him to go through.
In jjh's case there was some "testing the waters".
Had the wagon formed more strongly somewhere else, TW could've jumped off permanently, but once he had been on long enough and I had howled for his lynch for days, he wanted to not risk it.

jjh927

(7):

northsidegal

,

the worst

, ruru, BlackStar, HeWhoSwims, ofrhz,

Mathdino

,

the worst

(2):

HitAlt

,

jjh927

,

Something_Smart

(2):

pinturicchio

,

Zoronos

,
HeWhoSwims (1): davesaz,

Not Voting:

Something_Smart

Greens are conf. town (so from my PoV it includes flips + me obviously).
Red is the one scumflip.
Pinks include all of the scum.
Notice how you still have the lightest color just in case.
I'm thinking all town in the uncolored ones.

TW is still scum.
They have not scumhunted like they usually do.
They went the "faked aggression"-AtE route once I kept sitting on them.
I have accepted that you guys don't agree, so this is the final time I'll say it.
Math is mainly scum by association: look at them + TW last gameday.
Town!MD would agree on scum!TW here, or at least give them a harder time.
Pinocchio and TW are not scum together, because they couldn't resist pulling some over the top theater here.
So Pin+MD or Pin+Zor are whats left as alternatives for him.
I'm fine being todays lynch so that we don't out PRs any worse, but I think scum have this one in the bag.

[Zoronos]

Why would the third scum have been on TW?
They didn't want the buss on him to go through.
In jjh's case there was some "testing the waters".
Had the wagon formed more strongly somewhere else, TW could've jumped off permanently, but once he had been on long enough and I had howled for his lynch for days, he wanted to not risk it.

There were only two votes on TW, one of which was yours; there couldn't have been three scum on him because two is less than three. Unless you want to claim scum, which seems unlikely. Are you referring to the earlier wagon where you, JJH, and Math were voting TW before Math hopped back to JJH? Which would have implied both Math and JJH were preparing to bus the worst?


You didn't really answer the question I posed, so I was going to rephrase it slightly for the sake of discussion, and I'll include it here for the sake of posterity, but your reads coloration makes it OBE.

Spoiler: rephrase

For the sake of this discussion let's grant that TW is lock-scum. So, he was bussing JJH, and his discussion that NSG called attention to with JJH (after Math indicated JJH suspicion in the thread) was scum theater. Bam, cool, scum the worst caught.
In such a world, do you think TW+JJH's partner would also be on the JJH wagon or off-wagon somewhere?

Here's the pre-claim VC, using your reads-coloring:

1181 + a couple votes not captured on the VC

Jjh927

(6):

northsidegal

,

the worst

,

pinturicchio

, ruru,

Mathdino

, BlackStar, (+

Zoronos

declaring intent to hammer)
HeWhoSwims (2): davesaz, ofrhz

the worst

(2):

HitAlt

,

jjh927

davesaz (1):

Zoronos

Not Voting:

Something_Smart

, HeWhoSwims

This heavily suggests you believe both scum were on the wagon prior to the claim.

[Zoronos]

There are 3 people in the nsg quote.
worst wagon, hitalt wagon (was there even a hitalt wagon?); was jjh early or late on said wagons... or maybe on, off, back on?

Spoiler: lots of vote links

JJH's votes were 11-TW, 17-me, 41-Pintu, 59-Blackstar (this is where NSG started turning up the heat, 102, but she left the wagon to go after ofhrz), 573-Pintu, 647-TW

The Worst wagon started from HitAlt in 277, blackstar joined in 279, then Blackstar leaves in 367, JJH joins in 647, Ofrhz joins in 764 and leaves in 871, Math joins in 930 then leaves in 1075. Ofrhz joins in 1209 during the 5-vote stall on JJH, then leaves post-claim.

JJH wagon restarted from zero votes due to MD in 530, ruru came aboard in 541 (VC for this post 565), then left in 649, Math leaves in 790 to vote Pintu leaving the wagon at 0. NSG restarts it at 809, Math at 838, TW at 862 (this is the region that NSG indicated as possible scum theater), Math leaves at 930 to vote TW, Pintu joins in 999 (VC at 1010), ruru rejoins at 1018, Math rejoins in 1075. We stall until Blackstar puts him at L-1 in 1231 and I declare intent in 1235.

So to answer your questions:
1) There was never a hitalt wagon.
2) JJH was middle to the worst-wagon but he camped on it while events swirled about. The wagon never grew past 3 players until after the fake-claim, but during the great-lynch-split that was the second biggest wagon for a while.
3) JJH was not under significant pressure when he voted the worst; he was at 2 votes, and ruru left two posts later leaving him at 1. It was also static pressure; he had been at those same two votes for about 90 posts. His Pintu read only got minor blowback (one question, from Blackstar, which never got answered but turned into a JJH vs Blackstar semi-mutual-scumread discussion), but that was his movement (pintu -> the worst). Based on locality, his vote was right after HitAlt's re-iteration of his case 642.

Based on that information, is there anything further you can say about our current game-state?
Do you think the hop-on from JJH was scum-following-scum, scum-opportunistically-following-town, or premature bus?

[the worst]

hit the fact you're still trying to meta read me when you clearly have read like one or two of my games at most is gross. you're also completely misrepping me here. jjh was clearly scum and you pretending I was sheeping NSG is an absolutely crap take. the fact you've been hiding behind awful meta reads and half assing every part of the game except for trying to push me is awful. you're clearly scum but if you do somehow flip green please take a long hard look at how you do meta and scumhunt in general.

leaving HWS black and greening yourself is giving me a headache. are you literally just trying to suggest that all 3 scum are in {MD, TW, pintu}?

[Zoronos]

Had the wagon formed more strongly somewhere else, TW could've jumped off permanently, but once he had been on long enough and I had howled for his lynch for days, he wanted to not risk it.

Are you sure about this? After just doing the legwork for Dave's question, there's a 70 post sequence where there were only two votes on JJH-> NSG and TW. TW posted in that interstitial period. Instead he reiterates it in 961, Pintu joins in 999 to take the wagon back to three.
Do you think that TW figured he still had time to leave at that point and didn't anticipate the acceleration that would happen over the next ~80 posts, or just decide to say fuck it and keep the bus chugging along?
Worst had only hopped aboard in 862, but then went through the NSG-flagged-theater region. Was that theater the double-down? Because he was only at vote 3 at the time. Think the scum got antsy and felt a need to suddenly distance?

[Zoronos]

are you literally just trying to suggest that all 3 scum are in {MD, TW, pintu}?

Two scum. There are only two scum left.
JJH is ded.

[the worst]

I am three weeks old they haven't taught me how to count yet... T_T

[HitAlt]

There were only two votes on TW, one of which was yours; there couldn't have been three scum on him because two is less than three.

I do not understand this.
I thought I was being clear, but apparently not.

[HitAlt]

This heavily suggests you believe both scum were on the wagon prior to the claim

And there you have it.
And the switch in votes implicates...?
And I started to lean scum after my reread on..?

[HitAlt]

trying to suggest that all 3 scum are in {MD, TW, pintu}?

Oh, most certainly not.
I assumed only two scum left?
And Zoro isn't hardcleared yet. Hence the coloring.
Anything more?

[the worst]

I think im just triggered by you leaving HWS out of your town pool then greening yourself then suggesting your hypoinno is in the probscum pool then a scumpool of 3 people with 3 of the worst 2p combinations possible

And the fact you ignored my post addressing the fact that your read on me is transparently jank.

But I say we just lynch you today and find your other buddy tomorrow.
╮(╯▽╰)╭

[HitAlt]

I think im just triggered by you leaving HWS out of your town pool then greening yourself then suggesting your hypoinno is in the probscum pool

I already admitted my hypo-inno was shit.
Should've reread before claiming it.
And to add to the pile - I completely forgot HWS was an unCC'd PR.
NO WONDER I DIDN't KILL HIM LAST NIGHT. /s

Anything and everything else in your post is just your "opinion".
The quoting depends on whether you flip scum or really disagree.
But of course you dislike me reads no matter your alignment..

[the worst]

like if you'd bothered replying to me I'd try and work through this on the basis it could be tvt but you've just dug in your heels and yelled more inaccurate crap about your read. :/

sorry dude I'm just not your mislynch here

[HitAlt]

And the fact you ignored my post addressing the fact that your read on me is transparently jank.

Like, the fact remains that you have done nothing to become a townread of mine.
Normally you radiate town with your every post.
Town!You also knows the difference between a bad read and scum, so resolving to say I'm scum for tunneling you in fact confirms you are not town to me.
Town!You would call my reads bad, and from there it would occur to me that "huh, I might actually be wrong".

[HitAlt]

...and of course THEN you finally make a post that softs towards the direction I expect of you. Typical.

[HitAlt]

My read so far on TW has been accurate, no doubt.
This isn't his usual towngame, period.

[the worst]

I did call your reads bad and attempted to engage you iirc. You gave me nothing. How am I meant to townread you here?

[the worst]

also saying I radiate town with every post is indicative of a very sloppy meta dive. I'm inconsistent af as any alignment.

[HitAlt]

What if I told you, that I've read your every game on site?
Whike your accuracy might waver, your town-tone is consistent. (Barring outside influence)

[the worst]

I would call

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and maybe blush a little

[HitAlt]

Go push someone else than me for a while.
I darw yoy.

[HitAlt]

*dare you.
Phinepisting.

[the worst]

this is awful I actually like you now
alright tell me who your buddy is and I'll push them