SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[the worst]

having a good night srceen? you've been on fire in the speezy

[DeasVail]

Okay I'm here!

That actually gives us a situation where dissonance is actually good for us.

Because if everyone has a solid mix other than some universal reads given 0s. We end up with it very likely those two die. I am however still worried about a vote swapper or set one players average to five.

:/ need to think.

Whoa It's like I said this yet only now people understand

where did you say any of this?

this is exactly why I'm lying about my rankings as I said because of vote swappers etc
I doubt they can just swap vote totals cause that's outright op but I do think scum have stuff like Make player X's 10 a 0 or 0 a 10 to mess with numbers

While I would prefer not to be explicit about what points I will assign, because I don't want to give scum too much information going in to the ranking, I also believe that stuff like "make X's 10 a 0" would be more overpowered for scum than what is realistic in this set-up. Scum have a significant enough influence merely by being able to assign points. I do have plans as to how I will go about Day 2 in gaining as much information as I can out of the SUPP poll, but I'm not super confident in achieving scum deaths from the poll itself.

--

I do not have an opinion either way really on whether to end the day early or not.

[DeasVail]

The following people are some form of townread for me. No indication is made as to the strength of townread:

Taly
Punreader
Dunnstral
Nahdia
the worst
Shoshin
Chara
Screenplay

--

Everyone else I either weakly suspect, am conflicted on, or is just not very remarkable at the moment.

No one really jumps out at me as a scum suspect right now, but honestly given the format of the day I'm kind of okay with that. Having someone in particular die is very difficult to achieve, and more difficult than in a regular game day. I believe there is a role for read-building Day 1, which is why I'm not passionately advocating an early end of day. However, I also believe that there will be great scumhunting potential on Day 2, regardless of who dies overnight., which is why I'm not totally against it.

[Taly]

@TehBrawlGuy

[Taly]

Honestly, I can't tell if I'm really just stupid or I need to generally tweak my meta at this point

If my comprehension of the game is so bad that it seems like all of my content so far is fluff and my questions/replies mean so little, I need to change my perspective here.

[Taly]

5) Nothing much, really. Relieved a bit. Basically, what should happen did happen, so there's not a lot to say on it. The points at my earlier posts were solid, the rest was bullshit, and I've been pretty helpful to Town since. I feel like all three of those are being generally acknowledged, so we're good.
What were you expecting me to say about this? I don't know what you're trying to get at.

Because like MOST reads in this game, they happen very quickly and right next to another person's similar read.

So it seems pretty sensible to ask or gauge the point of a read when it blends in with the rest of the game.

[Taly]

blah

What were you going to say last night and why were you waiting for my post?

[Taly]

the worst

, can you give me a less-biased-than-myself view of

TBG's

posts?

Do you have any preference or ending the day or actively not ending it?

[Srceenplay]

blah

What were you going to say last night and why were you waiting for my post?

VOTE: End Day

[Taly]

Taly, if you have an updated reads list, I'd like to see it. Also, I'm confused by the whole "reads don't equal rankings" warning plus your bit about lying - I'm guessing you're worried about scum manipulation of rankings but that's not helpful - our #1 goal needs to be finding the scum, not preventing scum manipulation, and that means posting honestly and as much information as necessary to help us identify you (or whoever) as town (or scum). I mean, at this point it's fairly clear you're not dying tonight, but still, don't set a bad example for others who we really need to post more and to post honestly.

With each page going by, my reads are becoming more volatile.

((More liable to fluctuate))

There's multiple people wanting to end the day, and there's multiple people wanting to prolong it each for different reasons, and I'm pretty sure town is on both sides of this train of thought - so without flips, I can't so easily deduce what's more likely town-motivated or scum-motivated.

Plus, if one of

Pun/PP

flip town, I'm going to be a bit annoyed...

Townbloc, in order of degree

Chara:

Takes a moment to think before he makes a read. Gives opinions without pushing hard or not pushing much at all. 293 explains his approach to this game very well, he reacts in order to understand other players in a conversation, and many of their recent posts take into the account of scum's advantages in this game and how we could avert that.

the worst:

Scum-TW wouldn't post 536 because he genuinely outlined a new perception about me, after he went ahead to try and dispel the "sort me later" sentiment. 300, I'd think Scum-TW would've actively kept the uncertainty on my slot going. TW's posting in this game is very stream-of-consciousness that's oriented in gamesolving. 262 is another goodpost because he takes into account of Screenplay being scumread in relation to his read, so he's aware of the stances around him, and thinking critically before he adds his own.

Shoshin:

Even though I don't quite agree with the idea of prolonging the day to be very useful right now, I actually like the reasoning they stated for prolonging the day. We need solidity in the town and cohesion, and Shoshin's not only advocated for that mentality, but also posed questions and thoughts that build onto themselves.

Nico:

Easy policy bait. Plus, I've seen them play this terribly as town before, and with the same type of posts. This could be scum, but I really can't find a strong or valid argument for it. I feel like this is more likely easier for scum to push.

These are the few both-confident and both-solid townreads.

I have several other townreads, but I'm still thinking about them

*cough* MariaR, Screenplay *cough* Nahdia, DV *cough*

[Taly]

blah

What were you going to say last night and why were you waiting for my post?

VOTE: End Day

[Srceenplay]

The thing about this day period is I don’t think anything else is being done but doubt and second guessing.
I think we already talked about keeping our reads secret until d2.
So now it’s time to move on.

[Chara]

i feel as though i could probably do more if i threw myself into this, but i'm busy today and tomorrow and cannot.

there are a few reads of mine that bother me. i find it difficult to trust the worst, though i agree with Taly's townread of him. i wish i had the time to examine that further.

this amounts to a prod dodge. sorry everyone.

i want to say Pine is scum, but i'm finding it difficult to rationalize what scum Pine's plan is this game, at all.
i think Penguin is scum, which would mean Punreader is... probably town, though it isn't a lock.

Deas is, i think, more likely town than scum, but that's if i absolutely had to pick between the two.

i haven't managed to get a good read on Maria yet (and i never do) but she's town for now. and her reserving her read on me makes sense for reasons i don't really feel like explaining.

[Chara]

639's pretty scummy too.

jesus christ idgaf

this is in reaction to Shoshin's judgement of Maria's post?

[Srceenplay]

639's pretty scummy too.

jesus christ idgaf

this is in reaction to Shoshin's judgement of Maria's post?

Umm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Punreader]

I have content to respond to, which I will in circa 12 hours.
DO NOT END THE DAY BEFORE I CAN EXPLAIN WHY I AM DOING THIS AND GIVE RESPONSES TO THE RESPONSES TO MY READS.

Claim: Conditional Bulletproof/Conditional Vigilante; the conditions are inverses.

I actually lied.
I DO have a conditional bulletproof, but it only protects me from those who are ranked HIGHER; I was aiming for an ungated Vig, with the illusion of being bp.

To explain, I can kill people ranked lower than I am, but they can kill me; I can't kill people ranked higher than me, but they can't kill me.

This is why PenguinPower is literally a punclaim.

Details for everything in 12 hours.

[Pine]

Still comfortable nuking both PP and PR

[TehBrawlGuy]

Why are you claiming this instead of, you know, just putting a bullet in his head tonight?

[Taly]

So I just found who I'll give one of my 10s, and who I'll give one of my 0s

My confidence is this game has been somewhat rescued

[TehBrawlGuy]

So I just found who I'll give one of my 10s, and who I'll give one of my 0s

My confidence is this game has been somewhat rescued

PR / PP respectively or?

[Pine]

Ummm, so at peril of falsely giving off the classic “Hunting the SK” scumtell, it occurs to me that PR’s claim would be perfect third party. Are we confirmed not to have one?

[Shoshin]

Ummm, so at peril of falsely giving off the classic “Hunting the SK” scumtell, it occurs to me that PR’s claim would be perfect third party. Are we confirmed not to have one?

I had a similar thought when I saw the vig claim.

[Pine]

Protected from people below them, kills people ranked higher. That screams “self-aligned” to me.

I’m not opposed to leashing it.

[Dunnstral]

Pine is scummy on this page

[Pine]

I checked queue, rule set, and signup thread. No guarantee or hint of wincon composition was made.

PR is Cheetory. It’s entirely possible he simply wins if he’s ever on top.