Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[davesaz]

Not Voting: HeWhoSwims, HitAlt, Zoronos, davesaz, BlackStar,

Tfw I can't policy lynch 5 people

8 days left on deadline is not the time to be yammering about this.

pedit: me too

[ruru]

I don't get your question. Do you mean I should be discussing with you? I'm not discussing with anyone at this moment, so I would gladly talk to you.

I meant like, if you think my case is good/towny, but it's wrong, wouldn't you be most interested in convincing me out of it (compared to the others)

I realized after writing it that it's kind of an unfair/confbiasy question and arguing with people other than me can also influence my opinion or expose scum motivation in their reads

[davesaz]

Open question: who am I trying to case in my recent posting.

Thanks for answers.
Why hasn't anyone commented either way on the case itself?

[pinturicchio]

What's the point of 1852?

I thought it was a funny sequence

Funny haha or funny someone's scummy?

Funny haha

Really? I read it as you FoS'ing ofrhz.

Yes, really.

[Zoronos]

Thanks for answers.
Why hasn't anyone commented either way on the case itself?

Probably because nobody knows who you're casing or what the case is.
So: Who the hell are you casing and what is the case?

[pinturicchio]

I don't get your question. Do you mean I should be discussing with you? I'm not discussing with anyone at this moment, so I would gladly talk to you.

I meant like, if you think my case is good/towny, but it's wrong, wouldn't you be most interested in convincing me out of it (compared to the others)

I realized after writing it that it's kind of an unfair/confbiasy question and arguing with people other than me can also influence my opinion or expose scum motivation in their reads

As I said, I'm not discussing with anyone at this moment, I had my rant, I'm more relaxed now. And don't get me wrong, even if I think that other players are biased about me because my shitty D1 play, well... I had a shitty D1 play so I get that I'm one of the best lynch options right now. Problem is, I'm not scum, so I know I'm not the best option. But things are getting interesting.

[ruru]

Who do you actually suspect atm pin

Because you're saying people pushing you have an agenda, and ofrhz was pushing you since d1 I think?

[Mathdino]

Dammit I really wish I had a neighbour this game
I feel like I'm playing with my hands tied behind my back

We have effectively 5 lynches
Meaning we need to locktown 3 VTs to autowin

If dave and hitalt aren't a team
It would be helpful to figure which is town

[Zoronos]

The above post is directed at Zor

We don't have the votes to lynch Hitalt right now because NO ONE IS VOTING

I would like more discussion on pintu vs Hitalt but again NO ONE IS VOTING

I'm actually scumreading pintu more than Hitalt as of now
But Hitalt incessantly tunneling TW/me makes me feel less bad about potentially mislynching him

I'm trying to puzzle HitAlt vs Dave.
If you look at the legwork for Dave I did last night, a few things struck me:
1) That when JJH got to two votes, he immediately voted Pintu, without really any casing or explanation.
2) He moved his vote to the_worst when still at two votes but before their argument. If the two of these things, I'd think the worst was more likely to be distancing than Pintu, so that makes me less inclined to think Pintu is the partner.
3) HitAlt was basically on the_worst yesterday and anyone that mildly defended or redirected away from the_worst (notably me and NSG). I'm trying to pry his thought process slightly out of that viewpoint to give a read that's not contingent on the_worst and it's difficult but it's what I'm working on.
4) I think HitAlt's argument that the_worst got stuck on a bus isn't great, because as noted there were ample opportunities to leave. So maybe he bussed on purpose, but 'stuck on the bus' was not where the_worst was at.
5) I forget what (5) was going to be but I had a (5). Something about dave being really odd.

[Zoronos]

Dammit I really wish I had a neighbour this game
I feel like I'm playing with my hands tied behind my back

I would love to be neighbors.
I actually used to pride myself on strong neighbor-play (though my site referred to it as 'Unconfirmed Masons' instead of neighbors, but mechanically identical)
I also had a running joke called 'spoiler masons' where we'd just talk in spoiler tags and pretend it was secret.

It's a lot easier to play cards-on-the-table. It's just not always pro-town.

[davesaz]

Who

The case is that tw vs jjh was svs through and through. Possibly with a side of hitalt.

Hint: remove me from consideration and a solve is much easier.

[Zoronos]

What leads you to this conclusion?

[the worst]

oh god
Zoro please be town

[davesaz]

I think that the posts inside this

this was the interaction

Spoiler:

I see that MathDino isn't cleared yet either. (although I still enjoy their posting very much)
Good for us in the end I think.
Scum will have to show some of their hand when they kill if we refuse to lock anyone as town.

Tell me when you guys agree that the worst can be lynched today, and I'll be around to unvote at L-1. (???)

Preflips are bad, Math voting me is questionable, I don't know what IIoA means and the worst is still a really good lynch rn

incorrect and we need to focus elsewhere

also

╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮

You're still on ofhrz, which is still bad and one of the main reasons I scumread you

Who else do you think is scum

Have you read my posts? srs quessun

Have you read my posts? srs quessun

Yeah, but there's a lot of shit and I don't remember you saying who you scumread recently and an iso glance suggests that I'm right.

Who do you scumread that's not ofhrz

OK if you've read my recent posts I'm not sure why you'd bother asking me that question. If anyone probably you rn tbh

and it's shit and you can do better and you can also do better than your last one

You can do better than voting town

I don't think town avoids finding scum like you've been doing

I'm voting my strongest scumread ATM and have been putting about as much energy into this game as I can muster d1. I feel like I've been pretty open about how turned off this game I am and frankly who the fuck are you to BoP or criticise my playstyle?

VOTE: jjh927 flips red

Is that an ATE OMGUS combo

Make it look like TW vs JJH is SvS.

This is what I think.
Tell me why it's wrong.

[Zoronos]

Well, since you're just going to +1 HitAlt's case after all that and refuse to explain, let's go to the end of day vote:
I'm going to go ahead and color this from your perspective.

1181 + a couple votes not captured on the VC

Jjh927

(6):

northsidegal

,

the worst

, pinturicchio, ruru, Mathdino, BlackStar, (+Zoronos declaring intent to hammer)

HeWhoSwims

(3):

davesaz

, ofrhz, BlackStar,

the worst

(2): HitAlt,

jjh927

,

davesaz

(1): Zoronos,

Not Voting:

Something_Smart, HeWhoSwims

a) Does this make sense?
b) Where's the third scum?

[davesaz]

1181 + a couple votes not captured on the VC

Jjh927

(6):

northsidegal

,

the worst

,

pinturicchio

,

ruru

,

Mathdino

, BlackStar, (+

Zoronos

declaring intent to hammer)

HeWhoSwims

(3):

davesaz

, ofrhz, BlackStar,

the worst

(2):

HitAlt

,

jjh927

,

davesaz

(1):

Zoronos

,

Not Voting:

Something_Smart, HeWhoSwims

Townreads <davesaz, HWS, ruru, Zoronos, Mathdino> (1st 4 could be an unstoppable townblock if I'm right about all of them)
Null <ofrhz, BlackStar>
Scum in <the worst, pinturicchio, HitAlt>

Yes, I think both partners could have tried to bus TW, hence giving them the finger.
Yes, I think TW could have been mad enough about it to sacrifice their better role.
Yes, I think it's possible both partners could have bussed JJH.
It's quite possible only one of the 3 scumreads is actually scum. I don't have a clear handle on ofrhz. I can't remember if I wanted to upgrade BlackStar.

[the worst]

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[the worst]

I appreciate what you're trying to say but you're applying projected reads onto vote counts to do it. You're missing 99% of the context and as a result your outcomes are probably jank.

I have a compromise
This might blow people's minds

Spoilered for potential brain splattering

Spoiler:

let's just lynch scum!

[the worst]

for the record Zoronos is actually making sense here.

[davesaz]

Fine, here it is without the VCA.
It's what I think. These are my reads.

Townreads <davesaz, HWS, ruru, Zoronos, Mathdino> (1st 4 could be an unstoppable townblock if I'm right about all of them)
Null <ofrhz, BlackStar>
Scum in <the worst, pinturicchio, HitAlt>

Yes, I think both partners could have tried to bus TW, hence giving them the finger.
Yes, I think TW could have been mad enough about it to sacrifice their better role.
Yes, I think it's possible both partners could have bussed JJH.
It's quite possible only one of the 3 scumreads is actually scum. I don't have a clear handle on ofrhz. I can't remember if I wanted to upgrade BlackStar.

[the worst]

there you go. now it's just regular wrong, not embarrassing and wrong

[HitAlt]

I for one am not sure why there has to be scum at all in HitAlt/dave?
If there has to be, it's obviously dave from my PoV, but I wouldn't bet there.

The one who came up with that distribution is the more likely scum, because it's the narrative that likely produces two "automatic" mislynches, with one following the other.
I for one have a lynch-idea that only "automatically" leads to another with a scumflip from the first one.
My scumgame has to be the worst with such poor planning.

[pinturicchio]

Who do you actually suspect atm pin

Because you're saying people pushing you have an agenda, and ofrhz was pushing you since d1 I think?

I do think there's a chance she's scum with Math, and both pushing me (one active pushing and the other passive pushing) is a good strat. But that's just a theory; ofrhz have up and downs this game that pings me. At the begining, when she was being pushed, it looked like an easy mislynch just like in Pick Your Poison, but now is completely different, maybe because she's no longer under pressure. I insist, I get that on first sight I am a good lynch, but playing bad is not equal to scum, so ofrhz pushing me is pushing the easy wagon, and she doesn't do that as town (she got mislynched on D1 when she got the entire scumteam right, and in Newbie 1859 she had no problems pushing strong players). Math, on the other hand, is pushing anyone lynchable at this point, but coming from him, that's more likely to be town than scum: he just wants to end this day to advance, and I think that is a good strategy. But then again, that "own agenda" is messing with his reads, 'cause I'm lynchable, but not scum.

About other players pushing me: Blackstar is town, but I have no idea why he jumped on my wagon, so no comments there. Zoro is all over the place and I think that his solid D1 start could've been staged to get early townreads that the rest of the players (including me) haven't reevaluated because of reasons.

tl;dr: I'm townreading HWS (duh), Blackstar, ruru and HitAlt, in that order. Math is a townlean for sure, Zoro close to him. dave is null, I don't even know what to think about him; ofrhz is null now too. Duckling is scum both by PoE and solid reads from NSG and HitAlt.

[Zoronos]

Pintu: Why did you ask about a framer at EoD pre-flip yesterday?

[pinturicchio]

'Cause if it was a framer flip, we would know who the cop was going to check and we wouldn't have to do hypoclaims; if the cop doesn't out his check, that means the check is town, so we have a conftown player without outing the cop.