Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[pinturicchio]

what do you find inconsistent with

scum

-me here

Bolded: I could make this exact same question

[HitAlt]

did you just vote me as a honey trap and then tell the scumteam that it's a trap

I got bored of that plan very quickly.
I also think Pintu is the lynch for today anyway.
I also have to leave for work.
I'm thinking I might either reveal this alt or replace out anyway as to not lose this game for town D3.

Plays were not made.

[Mathdino]

what do you find inconsistent with

scum

-me here

Bolded: I could make this exact same question

- i'm on record for never lying about mechanics and theory as scum. i've stated that multiple times outside of this game, and this is literally my scum philosophy. i have chat records and scum PTs to prove that.

- if you think it's MD/TW, then the correct thing to do here is to wait and see if neither of us get NK'd, not lynch the town leaders who just handed you scum yesterday because you don't like the PoE

- you assume that i would shoot VT NSG (PLAYING HER VT GAME, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE) instead of
-- a jailkeeper, who is stronger every time scum flips
-- a cop or a vig, when i have a literal 100% record of PR hunting
-- zoronos or someone who actually clashes with me

- you assume that i would do the above, which would ruin my ability to say "hey a VT died therefore i'm town" in all future games, when i care more about my towngames than my scumgames (also something i'm on record for)

- you assume that i would PoE myself so hard to the point of having a 2 person lynchpool thinking i can weasel out of it somehow.

- you assume that i would hardbus my framer when i was literally the only one with meta knowledge on him, and when i wasn't planning on shooting the cop last night

- and given that you're unaware of basic shit about my play (how many games have i said "i don't believe scum lies" and "i don't lie about mechanics"???) you've clearly done 0 meta research on me, which means that despite my apathy, i've done three times as much work this game as you have

[ruru]

possibly in 6:1 where they're useful?

Maybe ignore this part

[ofrhz]

Is anyone getting anything new from this 1v1 (1v2?)

[Mathdino]

see hitalt here's basically where i'm at regarding you

- in light of the flip, your D1 play is nakedly pro-scum

+ you've made i think 3 or 4 posts today that i find unlikely to come from scum

- but you're also stubborn and are a lot to deal with which activates my policy sensibilities and makes me wonder if you're just able to fake your towngame in a pinch

- you chose a very safe hypoclaim target and took that back hilariously quickly, claiming VT

+ but also shouting me down as hard as you have is roughly suicidal

all in all if i'm being honest i'm kind of at null-town with you (my policylust brings you to null-scum)
you're more of a compromise lynch i'm super okay with, if anything

i believe we'll have enough information on D3 to do a gamesolve. i don't think you need to replace out or reveal.

but i do think that the correct move for both (and all) of us is to flip pintu and go from there.

[pinturicchio]

what do you find inconsistent with

scum

-me here

Bolded: I could make this exact same question

- i'm on record for never lying about mechanics and theory as scum. i've stated that multiple times outside of this game, and this is literally my scum philosophy. i have chat records and scum PTs to prove that.

- if you think it's MD/TW, then the correct thing to do here is to wait and see if neither of us get NK'd, not lynch the town leaders who just handed you scum yesterday because you don't like the PoE

- you assume that i would shoot VT NSG (PLAYING HER VT GAME, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE) instead of
-- a jailkeeper, who is stronger every time scum flips
-- a cop or a vig, when i have a literal 100% record of PR hunting
-- zoronos or someone who actually clashes with me

- you assume that i would do the above, which would ruin my ability to say "hey a VT died therefore i'm town" in all future games, when i care more about my towngames than my scumgames (also something i'm on record for)

- you assume that i would PoE myself so hard to the point of having a 2 person lynchpool thinking i can weasel out of it somehow.

- you assume that i would hardbus my framer when i was literally the only one with meta knowledge on him, and when i wasn't planning on shooting the cop last night

- and given that you're unaware of basic shit about my play (how many games have i said "i don't believe scum lies" and "i don't lie about mechanics"???) you've clearly done 0 meta research on me, which means that despite my apathy, i've done three times as much work this game as you have

- Who says you're lying about mechanics? I think that you used mechanics to leave both HitAlt and me between a rock and a hard place. I mean look at this lazy town: you say "HitAlt and pin are the optimal lynches for today" and bam! Both wagons formed.

- You saying you're one of the townleaders is plain ridiculous, and NSG was the one who made jjh's flip happen, and you've been using NSG' reads since she flipped town, so...

- By the way, that post was directed to HitAlt so neither of those "assumptions" are mine, so I don't get your point.

[ofrhz]

We started out this dayphase with hitalt and Davesaz as math’s preferred lynches

[Mathdino]

- you don't get to say "mathdino is insidiously using mechanics against town" and also say that i'm not lying about mechanics. and hitalt specifically said that i was potentially lying about mechanics.

- you saying that i'm NOT one of the town leaders is plain ridiculous.

you just said that i caused both your wagons.

that makes me a leader.

- that said, i've actively told people all damn day to stop letting me just lead all over the place and to get off their asses and vote and case people instead of waiting on me to do a bunch of work. you act like i intended this town to be lazy.

- i was NSG's biggest cheerleader on D1 and she even quoted my take that jjh is obvtown as town. no one else in this game had that information (other than TW, who is apparently our scumpartner). had i argued against jjh's lynch, that lynch wouldn't have happened.

[Mathdino]

We started out this dayphase with hitalt and Davesaz as math’s preferred lynches

every D2 my strategy is either:

- on a townflip, do basic VCA, ctrl+F people's votes, and hipfire a lynchpool

- on a scumflip, ctrl+F everyone's ISO for the lynched scum and hipfire a lynchpool

hitalt got townier through the day
davesaz i just didn't bother really trying to read until later today

[ofrhz]

Yeah I said that because pintu said this town is lazy

I think there are definitely not-lazy town in this player list

And no I’m not one of them

[pinturicchio]

- you don't get to say "mathdino is insidiously using mechanics against town" and also say that i'm not lying about mechanics. and hitalt specifically said that i was potentially lying about mechanics.

- you saying that i'm NOT one of the town leaders is plain ridiculous.

you just said that i caused both your wagons.

that makes me a leader.

- that said, i've actively told people all damn day to stop letting me just lead all over the place and to get off their asses and vote and case people instead of waiting on me to do a bunch of work. you act like i intended this town to be lazy.

- i was NSG's biggest cheerleader on D1 and she even quoted my take that jjh is obvtown as town. no one else in this game had that information (other than TW, who is apparently our scumpartner). had i argued against jjh's lynch, that lynch wouldn't have happened.

- Mechanics are mechanics, you can use them however you want; I don't say you're lying about them, I say you can use them against town too.

- What I meant is that you shouldn't be the one saying you're a town leader. We don't know your alignment; I know you're a leader, I don't know which kind of leader.

- I agree, lazy town.

- I'll give you that.

[Zoronos]

I take umbrage at the notion that I'm lazy town.
I'm lazy scum.
Wait, no uhh motivated town. Yeah...
Nobody saw that.

[BlackStar]

what do you find inconsistent with

scum

-me here

Bolded: I could make this exact same question

- i'm on record for never lying about mechanics and theory as scum. i've stated that multiple times outside of this game, and this is literally my scum philosophy. i have chat records and scum PTs to prove that.

- if you think it's MD/TW, then the correct thing to do here is to wait and see if neither of us get NK'd, not lynch the town leaders who just handed you scum yesterday because you don't like the PoE

- you assume that i would shoot VT NSG (PLAYING HER VT GAME, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE) instead of
-- a jailkeeper, who is stronger every time scum flips
-- a cop or a vig, when i have a literal 100% record of PR hunting
-- zoronos or someone who actually clashes with me

- you assume that i would do the above, which would ruin my ability to say "hey a VT died therefore i'm town" in all future games, when i care more about my towngames than my scumgames (also something i'm on record for)

- you assume that i would PoE myself so hard to the point of having a 2 person lynchpool thinking i can weasel out of it somehow.

- you assume that i would hardbus my framer when i was literally the only one with meta knowledge on him, and when i wasn't planning on shooting the cop last night

- and given that you're unaware of basic shit about my play (how many games have i said "i don't believe scum lies" and "i don't lie about mechanics"???) you've clearly done 0 meta research on me, which means that despite my apathy, i've done three times as much work this game as you have

- Who says you're lying about mechanics? I think that you used mechanics to leave both HitAlt and me between a rock and a hard place.

I mean look at this lazy town: you say "HitAlt and pin are the optimal lynches for today" and bam! Both wagons formed.

- You saying you're one of the townleaders is plain ridiculous, and NSG was the one who made jjh's flip happen, and you've been using NSG' reads since she flipped town, so...

- By the way, that post was directed to HitAlt so neither of those "assumptions" are mine, so I don't get your point.

That's not why those wagons formed. Because of the flips from Day 1, there were only 4 people who could possibly be scum. After process of elimination it started to seem like the 2 of you were the most likely to be Mafia

[pinturicchio]

Bryan Adams? Really?
Isn't that from Prince of Thieves? That movie was not great.

Haven't seen that movie! And Bryan Adams? More like Stewie Griffin's rendition

[pinturicchio]

@Blackstar wrong, very very wrong.

[Zoronos]

Wrong way we got here, but not a wrong assessment of the situation.
We’re basically here because of a wide consensus on who is towny and who is ???? based on earlier play.

Some of those reads could be wrong, but you’ll need to convince people that’s the case.

[Almost50]

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That must be the shortest yourube video I have ever watched!

[Almost50]

*Yourube

Also, READING... VC in a couple of minutes

[Almost50]

Sharing is Caring D2 VC #9

pinturicchio (4): Mathdino, ofrhz, BlackStar, Zoronos,
HitAlt (2): the worst, ruru,
Mathdino (2): pinturicchio, HitAlt,

Not Voting: HeWhoSwims, davesaz,

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

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Q: What do you call a Saudi in the knock-outs stage?
A: A fan. The Saudi referee has already been excluded before the started!

[HeWhoSwims]

Why again are we letting dave go right now

[BlackStar]

@Blackstar wrong, very very wrong.

What's wrong about it?

[Zoronos]

Why again are we letting dave go right now

Math thinks he's town, he's still in my lynchpool if I'm significantly wrong here.
It's a debate we can have but I'm reasonably okay with either of the two primary choices here.

[Mathdino]

I'm open to good arguments why he's not town but I see more tearing down each other's arguments than making points that stand alone
Someone do a scumcase and I'll check it out

[Zoronos]

Why again are we letting dave go right now

To keep quoting the same post:
Sell me.
Why is Dave the right choice here?