Minuet's Trio [Game Over]

[Moment]

addressing 277 by

moment

172 is entirely meta based, in a way that isn't elaborated on or is even capable of being elaborated on
for somebody who isn't familiar with the same meta as hebichan, it pretty much means 'i think x and y are being town, and z is being scum. these are my reads, and you're just gonna have to trust me.'
they can be backed out of for pretty much any reason later, giving a potential scumHebi plenty of wriggle room, and are extremely easy to fabricate on any slot you have history on for any reason really
D I S C L A I M E R that i have to make every time for some reason:
not all meta is trash, only empty meta like this.

I can understand you calling it "trash", then, but do you consider it scummy? That is, do you think that just because it offers wriggle room to a potential scum Hebichan, that it's more likely to come from a scum Hebichan? The way I've phrased it I feel like the instinctual answer is "of course", but it seems to me that just because there may potentially be scum utility in a certain method of posting, that doesn't necessarily imply that it

comes

from scum. Town is just as capable of phrasing things, explaining things or just making posts in general in such a method that would offer a lot of room as scum.

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So far, I’m really liking Brian and android. Lots of genuine asking of questions, interactions. I think Mastina due to IC claim. Human seems to be trying hard to figure out this game. Muffin probably town as well. I dislike Hebi Mastina vote because you shouldn’t risk voting possible IC but don’t know if it’s AI or not, it’s just not a good vote.

VOTE: Nancy Drew 39

I'm going to talk a little bit about why I consider this a scumpost.

-I mean no offense by this statement, but I think these sorts of "surface level" reasons to townread others come a lot more from scum than from town. Town, uninformed of anyone else's alignment, are naturally distrustful; doubtful. Taking such reasons as "lots of asking questions" and "trying hard to figure out this game" as reasons to townread others is more likely to come from scum, who both:
1) Know everyone's alignment and thus do not require strong reasons to townread people
2) Need to pretend to be sorting people to keep up appearances.

Nancy mentioning Mastina and the IC claim along with the rest of her townreads goes entirely along with my second point there; it's simply mentioning something for the sake of mentioning something and appearing to be solving the game.

From a quick scan of the posts following this it seems others agree with me here, so I think I can leave it at this. I urge others to join me here.

[Moment]

Hebichan's vote was bad, but shes town. Shes lynchbaity. Wisdom is scum. Keeping a close eye on Nancy. Waiting for her to catch up. I'll read into A18 more as a few lines I liked.

It seems we're in agreement for the most part. I'm not as confident as you seem to be on Wisdom, but I could definitely see where you're coming from.

What are your thoughts on MuffinMan, Katsuki, Purrcocet and Brian Skies? I ask about these people specifically because having looked through your ISO I don't recall seeing a read on them, and I'm a little bit lost myself on how to read them at the moment.

[zMuffinMan]

i think theyre probably town

[Moment]

i think theyre probably town

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on why.

It's possible I'm simply misinterpreting what I see as poor play to be scum play. I don't think so, but it's a thought that occurred to me while typing things out. From a comment that someone else made about obvious towning, I expect to be proven wrong if Nancy truly is town.

[zMuffinMan]

what? no i think muffinman and those other dudes are town, not nancy

[Moment]

Ah. Of course.

[zMuffinMan]

you said you were having trouble with that. i just made it easy for you

im being helpful again and helpful people are town

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Good ol' muffinman, how i missed you.

[zMuffinMan]

@hydra partner

when one more person votes nancy, you should put our (your) vote on nancy

being third on a wagon is a town tell iirc

[Brian Skies]

Okay.

Although I generally ignore that tell.

[zMuffinMan]

i just realised, things are going to get quite awkward when we try to discuss how to use our role(s) tonight

didn't think that one through

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i just realised, things are going to get quite awkward when we try to discuss how to use our role(s) tonight

didn't think that one through

Easy! just neighborize each other!

[Katsuki]

Ask Fakegod to keep your hydra QT open obv.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

this is getting boring, it needs more excitement
VOTE: Nancy

[zMuffinMan]

Ask Fakegod to keep your hydra QT open obv.

he said hes not going to

i guess he doesnt like hydras or something

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.4

Wisdom [1] - Kokichi Oma
Katsuki [2] - zMuffinMan, Brian Skies
hebichan [3] - Wisdom, grapes, Human Sequencer
zMuffinMan [1] - Katsuki
Kokichi Oma [2] - Nosferatu, mastina
mastina [1] - hebichan
Nancy Drew 39 [2] - Moment, Kaede Akamatsu

Not Voting [5]

- andriod18, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Dunnstral, Ginngie

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-06-20 15:00:00)

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Nancy

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Nancy

[Wisdom]

kaede did something change your mind about hebi?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: nancy

gang

pedit: dont interrupt me

[zMuffinMan]

reminder that we should be waiting approximately 2.5 RL days before lynching anyone (probably a good idea regardless of whether you think kokichi is town or scum, b t w)

[Purrcocet]

i get the sentiment but the Nancy Drew 39 votes are kind of ew

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well I didnt expect to see this much quicksand

kaede did something change your mind about hebi?

Not exactly, but I kinda felt bad for her. I remember something about she being more useful in later days, i think someone mentioned it in here or something too. And I started questioning myself whether im right or wrong, so I decided to give her at least another day.

[Katsuki]

VOTE: NANCY

[Nancy Drew 39]

addressing 277 by

moment

172 is entirely meta based, in a way that isn't elaborated on or is even capable of being elaborated on
for somebody who isn't familiar with the same meta as hebichan, it pretty much means 'i think x and y are being town, and z is being scum. these are my reads, and you're just gonna have to trust me.'
they can be backed out of for pretty much any reason later, giving a potential scumHebi plenty of wriggle room, and are extremely easy to fabricate on any slot you have history on for any reason really
D I S C L A I M E R that i have to make every time for some reason:
not all meta is trash, only empty meta like this.

I can understand you calling it "trash", then, but do you consider it scummy? That is, do you think that just because it offers wriggle room to a potential scum Hebichan, that it's more likely to come from a scum Hebichan? The way I've phrased it I feel like the instinctual answer is "of course", but it seems to me that just because there may potentially be scum utility in a certain method of posting, that doesn't necessarily imply that it

comes

from scum. Town is just as capable of phrasing things, explaining things or just making posts in general in such a method that would offer a lot of room as scum.

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So far, I’m really liking Brian and android. Lots of genuine asking of questions, interactions. I think Mastina due to IC claim. Human seems to be trying hard to figure out this game. Muffin probably town as well. I dislike Hebi Mastina vote because you shouldn’t risk voting possible IC but don’t know if it’s AI or not, it’s just not a good vote.

VOTE: Nancy Drew 39

I'm going to talk a little bit about why I consider this a scumpost.

-I mean no offense by this statement, but I think these sorts of "surface level" reasons to townread others come a lot more from scum than from town. Town, uninformed of anyone else's alignment, are naturally distrustful; doubtful. Taking such reasons as "lots of asking questions" and "trying hard to figure out this game" as reasons to townread others is more likely to come from scum, who both:
1) Know everyone's alignment and thus do not require strong reasons to townread people
2) Need to pretend to be sorting people to keep up appearances.

Nancy mentioning Mastina and the IC claim along with the rest of her townreads goes entirely along with my second point there; it's simply mentioning something for the sake of mentioning something and appearing to be solving the game.

From a quick scan of the posts following this it seems others agree with me here, so I think I can leave it at this. I urge others to join me here.

You’d be wrong about the vote not about the read being surface level. My d1 reads are almost always surface level - especially scumreads until I eventually get into the game.

I haven’t voted yet because I don’t yet have a strong read. I mention Mastina because I think it’s a mistake to vote for someone on the base of a claim. unless you have solid reasons for disputing it. I think you’re likely town here who is clearly unfamiliar with my meta.

I jumped on what turned out to be a bad wagon in my last game on here and want to avoid making the same mistake. There has been a lot of suspicion on both Kade and Wisdom but think both of them have a high probability of being mislynchbait. Just like in my last game on here, most likely there’s at least one wolf on my wagon d1, probably not you or Brian.

I am perplexed but not that upset about the votes on me because, assuming town is smart enough to not mislynch me, my VCA for d1 is almost guaranteed to help me make correct reads d2 and I most certainly will. I’m the most curious to see if Necromancer peops jump on this because it will definitely be illuminating.