Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[Creature]

Performer, what's the next game you're gonna join?

[Psyche]

replacing tommy egan

[Creature]

Here we go again

[Performer]

off topic:

Performer, what's the next game you're gonna join?

I've been debating if I should join another one, but I think I'll not join a new one yet. I've considered becoming an IC for newbie games but I haven't got the time to so far.

Also, happy birthday, unrealseal.

[Golden Robster]

Reading back, scum probably actually bussed the shit out of byron.

Like, this line just gives me bad feels,

I don't think there's scum on my wagon.

In terms of possible scum if I'm wrong, Ircher pinged me with just wanting to rush the day and get it over and done with. I don't see a reason to rush the day at all right now.

Khan/Golden have also been hard for me to get a read on. They've done some good stuff but also some things that have raised my eyebrow so that's kinda null for me.

Hopkirk/JJD/Performer are a townread for me, I'd be very surprised if they were scum.

[Performer]

From a quick ISO of khan, he voted me, pp, ircher, byron, nm. He also thought byron, I, and projectmatt/joral were scummy. I'm thinking he was too close about byron & nm, and probably a 3rd of the scum team?

[Golden Robster]

byron soft-defended espe throughout d1 and had little to zero interaction with performer with only one post apart from rvs

Yeah I don't really get why everyone jumped on Espeonage. I mean sure they haven't been the most active so far

if we're talking about potential lynches then I'd add these two to the table tomorrow

JJD has been pretty towny but could be scum; in my townblock but re-evaluating if bus happened

Creature is probably town just because of this byron post:

VOTE: Creature

My bad vibes that I was on about before that I were feeling were from a frustrated town have turned a lot more in the scummy direction. This post in particular really pings me as an almost OMGUS play on the whole town:
Creature wrote:
tbh I don't see any players here who played well enough to be able to flawlessly read me.

Haven't liked his play so far, as it feels like he's caused a lot more disruption than contribution to the discussions at hand through off-handed comments and a lack of any real content to his posts. (The man hasn't even made a post consisting of more than two lines of his own)

PJ probably town for similar reason; byron felt new and I don't think he'd list both his scumpartners + PJ's opening post was decent as well. Byron votes Joral instead of N_M just because N_M is scumbuddy:

I've got my eyes on both Joral & Not_Mafia right now, they've both done virtually nothing in the game so far, and if the game is being stalled by mafia then it's likely being done by at least one of these two.

Joral hasn't done anything for the past 4 days, that's hardly communicating. Sure beforehand he was making some good posts but it feels like he's just dodged the last 4 days and that doesn't sit well with me. The thing is the way Espeonage has acted has made me read his slot as town, as I'm getting that frustrated town read on him due to the nature of his posts. However I feel Joral, whilst doing more stuff than Espeonage, still isn't doing a lot and he still feels really defensive as a player.

VOTE: Joral

[Golden Robster]

Where I'm at right now with reads

Town

: UnrealSeal

Leaning Town

: Ircher, PJ (joral slot), Creature
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

:

Kind of town

: Hopkirk, JJD (espe slot)

Neutral/undecided

:

Meh

: PP, TE, Performer

Leaning Scum

:

Scum

: N_M

[UnrealSeal]

@Creature

your thoughts on last scum.

[Ircher]

Reading back, scum probably actually bussed the shit out of byron.

Like, this line just gives me bad feels,

I don't think there's scum on my wagon.

In terms of possible scum if I'm wrong, Ircher pinged me with just wanting to rush the day and get it over and done with. I don't see a reason to rush the day at all right now.

Khan/Golden have also been hard for me to get a read on. They've done some good stuff but also some things that have raised my eyebrow so that's kinda null for me.

Hopkirk/JJD/Performer are a townread for me, I'd be very surprised if they were scum.

Here’s a guideline I think town should start employing after a D1 scumlynch: ignore the associatives associated with said Lynch.

[Golden Robster]

Here’s a guideline I think town should start employing after a D1 scumlynch: ignore the associatives associated with said Lynch.

Why though?

[Psyche]

Hiraki replaces Tommy Egan

[Hiraki]

ego

[Ircher]

Here’s a guideline I think town should start employing after a D1 scumlynch: ignore the associatives associated with said Lynch.

Why though?

I’ve heArd town’s win rate seems to DROP when the D1 Lynch is scum.

[Hopkirk]

Where are those figures coming from?
From the newbie figures, I'm fairly sure town win rate goes up to 70%+ish after a d1 scum lynch.

NM then Hiraki or Performer in that order of preference.

[Ircher]

Not necessarily from newbie games; its something I've heard on multiple occassions though.

[Hiraki]

Post-edit: This is one of those sloppy, stupid Hiraki posts where I post all of my thoughts on the game since inception. It won't be that useful until the end.

Hate the early Kublai wagon.

Why do you want to force only two wagons?

Great first post btw.

I hate a majority of Penguin's posts at this point.

What's the point of this post?

Good posting.

Hopkirk, do you have anything better to say?

Even better.

I have a general critique on all players here that the first 4 pages have been overall "high and mighty" posting when the bar has been set really low for anything actually good.

So when's this "oh this must be his scum game" slim shady shade gonna stop?

CREATURE WE GONNA VIBE THIS GAME, I CAN FEEL IT

LIKE THIS QUINTUPLE POSTING SHIT - YEAH, I'M FEELIN IT

@Creature - Why does your multi-posting look forced?

Felt like actual annoyance IMO, why are you reading the way he posted and not the content he posted? Seems like a really bad way to read someone.

Khan - Seems to put himself on a high horse, saying that he's not interested in being friendly and just wants to win, and then tries to accuse Hopkirk of being condescending, when he's actually the one in the wrong. Is throwing sarcy comments everyone and whilst he is actually participating in the discussion, I'm not getting good vibes off of him.

While this is correct, my recollection of playing with Khan is that the prestigious attitude doesn't go away. I'm not critiquing here - I'm pretty sure I do the same, it's just that you shouldn't read into that as a tell.

Or you're asking questions to people who likely aren't going to give you an answer. Namely, Joral, the 3rd most inactive player in the game right now who has said himself that they are 'not of a mind to provide meaningful commentary yet'

Garbage

I think 138-140 from Ircher is good but I don't want to say he's a TR yet. Something bugs me about parts of that post that I don't care to find out the reason to right now.

Byron... Feels weird. Nothing I can point to directly, gut feel is saying off, especially on the wagon comment. Did not feel it was picking up any steam at the time.

This phrasing is terrible. If Byron flips scum, I'm going straight for joral.

Also I know I've been hopping around a lot but my vote on Khan is probably misplaced and so I want it off of him. Creature's been doing some really weird play, and whilst I'd like to move my vote on him I don't have enough confidence in my read on him yet, so for now I'm just going to:

Yeah, I'm voting here.

Penguin can be town for now, I didn't like how Espeonage jumped on Penguins posts when Penguin was only doing something I definitely see at least moderately often in RVS.
Scum!Espeonage spews scum!Seal from Seals opening post.

Why are their opening posts scummy?

You were doing good postings, come back?

Not vibing with Espeonage.

165 Espeonage wagon is BAD though. Can't vibe with anyone there but Creature.

joral, what do you think about PP doing absolutely nothing?

I don't think so. Pp was trying to get wagons going at the very start, and that's a great way to move the game.

VOTE: creature

GARBAGE

I don't TR Espeonage but I HATE this wagon. 0% chance of me going here today.

Also it's at this stage that I reminded myself that I replaced Tommy. I don't vibe with him so I don't mind if y'all don't vibe with me at first but I'm gonna actually play my role good this time.

Why weren't you more active on Monday? You were already the lead wagon then.

I'll be honest, I'm vibing with this.

Wow everyone look at this guy's fast reading skills

No one likes a show off PP

Are you town this game N_M?

I don't feel like doing ByronVilla.

Even though I'd be surprised if we don't do a regretful mislynch.

WRONGGGGGGGG

joral, goodbye.

VOTE: joral

CLOSE BUT WRONGGGGGGGG

Cool, UnrealSeal is also scum.

Wrong three times in a row? Yikes, Creature, what's going on?

Byron, your first statement in #264 feels really, really forced.

Yeah, OK - me and Golden are going to finish this game, easy peasy. Don't get how any of you are OK with unvoting Byron all the damn time.

After 3 pages, I hard townread PenguinPower. And lean scum on Kublai.

Oh man, bad opinions here we go.

KKs 206 is the first thing that pings town for me. Sounds like legit frustration.

Frustration = town. Nice. That's wrong.

But the rest of joral's ISO, I found he mentioned why he voted esp...which looked like a reasonable town process.

Yeah, I checked this right after. Feel free to highlight that out. This is utter nonsense.

Bad Byron wagon

Bad Byron wagon

Man, this is NOT ok. Why are you being wrong here?

HAHAHAHAHA! I KNEW IT. PROJECTMATT IS DEAD TODAY. NO QUESTIONS.

I've played that trick multiple times, I'm not going to fall for it as scum, it's a gambit, I'm VT

Feels like bad phrasing man.

Last scum is mos DEF PM.

425 just confirms my suspicions that Performer is town but just sloppy...and not really giving good opinions.

scum: not-mafia, creature, tommy

LOL

Reading back, scum probably actually bussed the shit out of byron.

Yeah...Joral...do I need to go into this?

Don't get how Joral is up for you. Can you go into that?

N_M then joral, GG.

[projectmatt]

cool. you're town.

[Ircher]

Creature is scum. Discuss.

[Hiraki]

I'm not willing to go that far yet. If PM somehow DOESN'T flip scum here, then we can discuss.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm not willing to go that far yet. If PM somehow DOESN'T flip scum here, then we can discuss.

except we're lynching NM today not PM.

[JarJarDrinks]

I've got my eyes on both Joral & Not_Mafia right now

I can't buy byron posting this sentence about both his scumbuddies.

[Hiraki]

I've got my eyes on both Joral & Not_Mafia right now

I can't buy byron posting this sentence about both his scumbuddies.

I can LOL

The guy was called out by everyone.

[JarJarDrinks]

also note that joral was the counterwagon to byron

[JarJarDrinks]

I've got my eyes on both Joral & Not_Mafia right now, they've both done virtually nothing in the game so far, and if the game is being stalled by mafia then it's likely being done by at least one of these two.

Creature I still feel iffy on, but I agree on the direction he's taking the discussion and so I'm going to join him on Joral for now.

Joral & Not_Mafia, if you want to stay in this game you need to be proactive and actually be contributing to some discussions. If you continue to sit back and let others drag the game through the mud you're going to be of no use to us, and so it's very likely you'll both be axed off very soon. Seal should probably do this a bit more too, but he's not at the shockingly low level of activity that both Joral and Not_Mafia have shown.

UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: Joral

New post: Espy is a spot that falls in with Joral/Not_Mafia, however they were still actually communicating with other members of the town (albeit in a kind of anti-town way with the whole not reading thing), which makes me get much more of that frustrated town vibe from them. I also want to give JJD the benefit of the doubt as a replacement and see what he can do with the slot before I make any more judgements.

Sorry but I'm treating the joral slot as town based on this post (and others like it). It's just a classic scum move to call out ur scumbuddy along w/ a townie and then vote the townie.

And keep in mind joral had 2 votes on him @ this point so it really gave the wagon some oomph @ the time.