Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[Commander Shepard]

I lied. Creature is scum?

So Creature today GiF tomorrow?

[Chickadee]

Hello, just received role pm, haven't read anything yet. Jumping in soon here.

[Shoshin]

Does anyone know of any games Shoshin has completed recently or something I can get a feel from them on?

I have two recently completed games: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76215 and https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76303

[Taly]

Wheme

can tyou explain

Random/Shoshin

scum-scum?

VOTE: Creature
I'm still very strong with the

Creature

lynch. The fact that there was no lynch able to be made D1 and the high level of scumreads being casted on a good portion of the playerlist outside of

Creature

makes me feel this is the best option.

I also think this would provide a lot of reference and insight behind the

Nico/Renais

wagons, the

TBG

NK, and help absolve suspicion.

1593 and 1594 resolve a good bit of my uncertainty on

Reality

. I don't think scum would necessarily state the reasons for why an investigation on them would be unnecessary, and their post rings to me as genuine.

I think scum is extremely likely to be within

Tgkfap/Renais

, but I can't get past the fact that this isn't

Creature

-town, nothing this game so far has told me otherwise.

Furthermore, the more pages that go by, I'm becoming happy with

the worst

and

Nancy

being solid town.

Starting to not the trust the votes that were on

Nico

. I haven't seen

Angel

post much at all these past few pages so I'm concerned.

[Taly]

Shoshin

leans town based on vote history alone. She's actively pushed non-popular wagons and has solely been focused on improving their perception in the game using them.

And tomorrow or Tuesday ((when I have more time then)), I'll do an ISO-group of

Random/Angel/Shoshin

to sort them out

There's a lot of content without clarity, so time to make use of it

[Taly]

63 pages...Anyone got a TLDR?

We pissed away D1 without a lynch :/

TBG

was NKed, and he was on the

Renais

who I can see is likely scum.

TGKFAP

thought I was fucking

Varsoon

posting

despite me intentionally hydra-slipping

, even though I replaced in on my main because he never posted in thread.

Nobody's rebutted the

Creature

-scum meta case, and even without meta,

Creature

is very likely scum.

Angel

pushed

Nico

, who I'm feeling is more likely town in hindsight.

Wheme

thinks

Random V Shoshin

is scumVscum.

I'm actively battling apathy by posting because I didn't expect to go "full-weight" in this game hence my partner flaked on me D:

Reads? Questions?
How do you feel about the NK and the multitude of wagons D1?

[Shoshin]

Taly, do you agree or disagree with me that Random played a major role in causing a no lynch by softly defending Creature throughout D1?

[Shoshin]

1593 and 1594 resolve a good bit of my uncertainty on Reality. I don't think scum would necessarily state the reasons for why an investigation on them would be unnecessary, and their post rings to me as genuine.

I don't follow... If Reality's scum, wouldn't they want to avoid an investigation?

[Randomnamechange]

Taly, do you agree or disagree with me that Random played a major role in causing a no lynch by softly defending Creature throughout D1?

nice leading question

also that taly summary is dire its mostly correct but does not include any of the most important points

[Shoshin]

nice leading question

That's not a leading question, unless you think any yes/no question is leading.

[Taly]

I don't think

Random

solely caused a no lynch

But after skimming, I definitely want to hear why

Renais

was a much better wagon and push than

Creature

. There were multiple D1 posts from him where he debated the possibility of

Creatue

scum but never did anything to generate a conclusion.

So if

Creature's

scum,

Random

and

Angel

are looking a lot less towny in my eyes. If

Creature's

town, I still want to see why

Angel

went for

Nico

and why

Random

seems blatantly inconsistent.

1593 and 1594 resolve a good bit of my uncertainty on Reality. I don't think scum would necessarily state the reasons for why an investigation on them would be unnecessary, and their post rings to me as genuine.

I don't follow... If Reality's scum, wouldn't they want to avoid an investigation?

I think it's more likely scum would not oppose an investigation on themselves, if it meant they wouldn't be suspected or other people would become a better option.

Why would town want to be investigated if they can defend themselves and state why they're town? Hence their confidence because they're correct?

I just find town-motivation in that post of

Reality

more as,

"don't waste an investigation on me, and here's better alternatives"

- she wasn't avoiding the idea of investigating her, nor was she deflecting from the conversation by not adding a reason.

So I think that's more towny.

Taly, do you agree or disagree with me that Random played a major role in causing a no lynch by softly defending Creature throughout D1?

nice leading question

also that taly summary is dire its mostly correct but does not include any of the most important points

Instead of saying things "are dire" without any concrete reason, how about you INCLUDE the most important points yourself and actually expand on the conversation?

My POV of this game is very blurry and I'm actively resolving that.

[Chickadee]

Skimming what I have, I don't see an outcome where Creature is town here. This is obv scum Creature. I'm actually really curious why a Creature lynch didn't go through D1.

[Taly]

Skimming what I have, I don't see an outcome where Creature is town here. This is obv scum Creature. I'm actually really curious why a Creature lynch didn't go through D1.

[Taly]

Also, look

TW

! I'm towning!

[Randomnamechange]

no you aren't

[Taly]

no you aren't

lmfao, if you played any game with me, this was clearly an inside joke

but its nice to see how you view my "im here" posts

[Reality Check]

because the most active slots were sent away for the day

[Chickadee]

omg Taly, kittens <3

[Taly]

[Randomnamechange]

I don't think

Random

solely caused a no lynch

But after skimming, I definitely want to hear why

Renais

was a much better wagon and push than

Creature

. There were multiple D1 posts from him where he debated the possibility of

Creatue

scum but never did anything to generate a conclusion.

So if

Creature's

scum,

Random

and

Angel

are looking a lot less towny in my eyes. If

Creature's

town, I still want to see why

Angel

went for

Nico

and why

Random

seems blatantly inconsistent.

1593 and 1594 resolve a good bit of my uncertainty on Reality. I don't think scum would necessarily state the reasons for why an investigation on them would be unnecessary, and their post rings to me as genuine.

I don't follow... If Reality's scum, wouldn't they want to avoid an investigation?

I think it's more likely scum would not oppose an investigation on themselves, if it meant they wouldn't be suspected or other people would become a better option.

Why would town want to be investigated if they can defend themselves and state why they're town? Hence their confidence because they're correct?

I just find town-motivation in that post of

Reality

more as,

"don't waste an investigation on me, and here's better alternatives"

- she wasn't avoiding the idea of investigating her, nor was she deflecting from the conversation by not adding a reason.

So I think that's more towny.

Taly, do you agree or disagree with me that Random played a major role in causing a no lynch by softly defending Creature throughout D1?

nice leading question

also that taly summary is dire its mostly correct but does not include any of the most important points

Instead of saying things "are dire" without any concrete reason, how about you INCLUDE the most important points yourself and actually expand on the conversation?

My POV of this game is very blurry and I'm actively resolving that.

a) i didnt finish the day with my vote on renais
b) why would scum defend creature
c) this point is not something that should ever be used to argue someone is town. Scum as a rule want to avoid being investigated. sure, argue town want to as well but it is ridiculous to claim town want to avoid being investigated more than scum
d)nico/nancy, me vs shoshin from the perspective of the 1v1 not an irrelevant player's read, underground yesterday, RC vs shoshin, cases/wagon on tpfkap

[Taly]

but real talk

Chickadee

, what's your thoughts on

Renais, Tgkfap, Nico

they were people ive scumread D1 ((thinking

Nico

is more town based on interactions with who I think is scum, still scumreading

tgkfap

, and I'm iffy on

GIF/Renais

)) and im worried that im getting tunnel vision on these people

[Taly]

@Random

A)

You didn't answer my question. You NEVER voted

Creature

, but you still weren't sure about him being scum or town and you didn't really engage much with the wagon who have consistently believed he's playing to his scum-meta. Why was

Renais

a better vote/wagon and/or more likely scum?

B)

Why would scum vote

Creature

? And why was

Creature

worthy of your defense? I still don't feel like I've gotten a clear answer over this.

C)

I just stated I thought

Reality

was coming more from a town perspective with her approach to that topic, and I still believe that. Do you see scum-motivation there? Why?

D)

Yeah... you could've said that to expand on my 'summary' instead of casting suspicion on it. Plus, what were YOUR thoughts on those events you just listed?

[Randomnamechange]

and you are ignoring teh fact that i didnt choose to wagon renais. because. i. wasnt. on. them. at. day. end.
bc creature's scum play was abysmal. and i wasn't defending him, i was saying that he *might* be town.
of course there is scum motivation there. in what way is trying to bully someone out of investigating you lacking scum motivation? Idc if you think there is town motivation in it, to claim there is no scum motivation is flat-out wrong.
the issue with the summary is it puts focus on the wrong area. it makes it seem like wheme is a townleader. it makes it seem like nico's alignment is up for debate.
bearing in mind i was directly involved with 3 of them and i directly suggested a theory as to why people went underground the last question is a bit farcical

[Chickadee]

but real talk

Chickadee

, what's your thoughts on

Renais, Tgkfap, Nico

they were people ive scumread D1 ((thinking

Nico

is more town based on interactions with who I think is scum, still scumreading

tgkfap

, and I'm iffy on

GIF/Renais

)) and im worried that im getting tunnel vision on these people

Well, I'll refrain from commenting on tpfkap, because Porkens is my predecessor, and I honestly have no clue wtf he was doing. He always has a weird play style that people scum read, and I've never quite been able to get inside his head.

Gonna be honest, here's what I've done so far since getting my role pm: I took a shower, ate some lunch, ISO'd my slot, ISO'd the mod to get highlights, checked in with my neighborhood, Saw that Creature was being scum read and ISO'd him.

So that's where I'm at. I can't really give any well formed or even ill formed thoughts on the Nico and Renais slots at the moment, but I'll hit you up later.

[Taly]

and you are ignoring teh fact that i didnt choose to wagon renais. because. i. wasnt. on. them. at. day. end.

oh right, you were bussing

tgkfap

guess that completely eliminates all relevance from these posts?

aight yo wassup g's im here now talk to me
creature could be scum but seems kinda lynchabity nowatimsayin

sounds gucci to me
VOTE: princess of renais

Acutally, agreed. I have doubts on creature, but they can be solved later on.

VOTE: renais

VOTE: Creature

one of these two votes is probably scum depending on the renais flip imo.

Like, you make the least conclusive read possible on

Creature

by shading him with

"this could be scum, but

renais

looks like a less mislychbaity lynch"

- even though I'd argue the exact opposite, because people have consistently stated

Renais

is scummy and now

GIF

, but nobody wants to tie the noose on

Creature

Seriously, I'm all asking is why

Renais

was more likely scum than

Creature

, and you keep tip-toeing around the fact that you made no actual conclusion on

Creature

D1.

bc creature's scum play was abysmal. and i wasn't defending him, i was saying that he *might* be town.

Again, you don't actually state a solid read there but you're actively not going for his lynch or engaging with the wagon on him...

And what do you mean

"

creature's

scumplay is abysmal"

? Um? His play here is abysmal by his standards?

And why do yuo keep saying he "might" be town? Are you waiting for him to make this holy grail post that absolves all suspicion on him? Because that hasn't happened and we're close to this game being a month old.

of course there is scum motivation there. in what way is trying to bully someone out of investigating you lacking scum motivation? Idc if you think there is town motivation in it, to claim there is no scum motivation is flat-out wrong.

Seeing motivation in someone's post IS SUBJECTIVE.

So go on, tell me why my perception is wrong and tell me why

Reality

is more likely to be scum for her recent posts.

And also, wtf? "Bullying"? Are you reading the thread? There is absolutely nothing that suggests this.

the issue with the summary is it puts focus on the wrong area. it makes it seem like wheme is a townleader. it makes it seem like nico's alignment is up for debate
bearing in mind i was directly involved with 3 of them and i directly suggested a theory as to why people went underground the last question is a bit farcical

I'm asking for your damn opinion and you're ignoring that.

Have you read my catchup post? I haven't been engaged with the game because I lost a lot of motivation.

So yeah, please enlighten me on the importance of what you listed, and try to indirectly undermine my posts less. -_- I never said anything else was unnecessary, I gave MY perception of the game and your comments sound like you're actively looking to diminish that.

but real talk

Chickadee

, what's your thoughts on

Renais, Tgkfap, Nico

they were people ive scumread D1 ((thinking

Nico

is more town based on interactions with who I think is scum, still scumreading

tgkfap

, and I'm iffy on

GIF/Renais

)) and im worried that im getting tunnel vision on these people

Well, I'll refrain from commenting on tpfkap, because Porkens is my predecessor, and I honestly have no clue wtf he was doing. He always has a weird play style that people scum read, and I've never quite been able to get inside his head.

Gonna be honest, here's what I've done so far since getting my role pm: I took a shower, ate some lunch, ISO'd my slot, ISO'd the mod to get highlights, checked in with my neighborhood, Saw that Creature was being scum read and ISO'd him.

So that's where I'm at. I can't really give any well formed or even ill formed thoughts on the Nico and Renais slots at the moment, but I'll hit you up later.

wait wtf

did yuo repalce

tgkfap

? Just saw that they haven't posted in 6 days.

And alright, I'm going to ISO dive

GIF

Tuesday as well