mini 2013: the chorus of i'll call b4 i cum mafia (all done)

[Morality]

other than my reasonings for believing all three scum were on the Dunn wagon at its largest, which I feel was a rather strong case, I haven’t really made a strong town case for Unah.

1) I don’t see ScumUnah making that Ruby comment preflip.
2) Look at the interactions between Unah and Tchill. They are players who have played a lot together. Hell, they were on the same Team Mafia team (i was as well Unah was pushing Tchill a lot for reasons no other than some kind of gut read, which Unah semi brags about later. That is townUnah who sees something off in ScumChill without being able to explain it. They have zero reason to bus each other beforehand, and I just don’t see Unah targeting Tchill the way he did as Scum here.

[Morality]

Read List

town
Morality
Lucky Otter
Dunnstral
Una Bombah

Koki
SIV

the worst

scum

Don't know what to do with Ruby, because I'm very unexperienced with this part of mafia games. I'd listen to my townies there and don't like to rush things.

Going back to this, I don’t see scum bring up not having an opinion on Ruby at this time. Still my number 3, but definitely will stay there.

Today we lynch between Otter and Ruby.

[Morality]

Actually, today we lynch Otter.

Ruby is a claimed tracker, and that will sort itself out.

[the worst]

They are way too political reads for me to believe it’s comingfrom scumAzur. I just don’t see Azur making those reads as scum here at all.

actually same I just wanna talk to Azu about them
Mora we're agreeing on things what is the world coming to???

[Morality]

Mass claim would be best, in my opinion.

Some say it might out a doctor, I say so what? Doctor’s done their job so far, right? If scum try to shoot the doc, then potential tracker Ruby gets a result and can start confirming townies.

This leaves no wiggle room for future claims to slip through the cracks.

We have no reason to care about playing through PR’s now. We’ll get results regardless. This is all about motivation from here on out.


Otter should start the claims. From then on, everyone should just claim to speed it up.

[Morality]

They are way too political reads for me to believe it’s comingfrom scumAzur. I just don’t see Azur making those reads as scum here at all.

actually same I just wanna talk to Azu about them
Mora we're agreeing on things what is the world coming to???

Simple; it’s the first time we’re both town.

[Morality]

I'm not happy about how long it took to get there, but SIV has given a decent response as far as I can tell.

Taking a step back... I could get on board with an Una or Dunn wagon. Una appears to be active lurking. Dunn needs to respond to some things.

Performer has been on my radar since post 92. Performer, you never answered my questions in post 170.

Also, your vote on SIV feels disingenuous. If you were following along, I made it pretty clear I was trying to get some particular responses from SIV, which were provided. Did you not like them? Why not?

Just because someone doesn't share your town reads doesn't merit a vote. If scum, what does SIV stand to benefit from giving a town read on MariaR?

The comment toward TW in 181 also feels very forced.

VOTE: performer

Weak clearance for SIV being town in the maria explanation. FOS's 2 others before voting performer (the vote is fine its the FOS'ing) if one of una/dunn flip scum i'll suspect this guy to be early distancing here. Especially if performer flips town.

Might have found a reason here not to go Otter today.

[the worst]

kinda agree


also your posting for the last 2 pages has been :fire emoji:
I didn't really expect to be on board with a mass claim followed by probable LO lynch but in hindsight I'm kinda surface tonally townreading LO they're just very good tonally

want me to kick off massclaim or?

[Morality]

VOTE: profii

that'd be too stupid for scum d1. waaaay too stupid. trading a townie for scum is fine especially day 1. So now either profii or kokichi is scum. I can't see kokichi being that stupid as scum.

Idk who's scum.

Worst and Siv are town.

That's about it.

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

What. How could you want to lynch both me and prof

Because if I only wanted to lynch one of you that would mean I feel really good about one of your alignments. I don't feel like yall are the same alignment. I just don't know which is which.

Tchill looks as if he’s setting up buddying on TW and SIV, while setting up mislynches on Kokichi/Profii. He sets those two up, and brings them up, however he sprinkles in Ruby and Performer, who I am now assuming are his scum partners, especially because there was little to no mention of Ruby prior to this.

[Ruby Red]

tracked una there was no visit but i dont think its that meaningful

hey ducky and morality its 2005 all over again, scum dead end of day 1, tracker guilty d2, thinking una might be the lsat day three

let's find the last wolf today and complete the similarities

[Ruby Red]

luckyotter and siv imo are still probtown

tbh i have read very fucking little of thi s game

[Morality]

kinda agree


also your posting for the last 2 pages has been :fire emoji:
I didn't really expect to be on board with a mass claim followed by probable LO lynch but in hindsight I'm kinda surface tonally townreading LO they're just very good tonally

want me to kick off massclaim or?

Yeah, let’s just start it.

Everyone can claim when they post. I don’t think it matters too much. I’d prefer to claim last, though, if that’s okay with everyone.

[the worst]

I'm kinda worried that he townread Ruby after she "adequately towned" as well

plus it's technically correct play for both Tchill and Ruby to buddy me as scum given recent history


still don't wanna lynch ruby today anyway

[the worst]

I am a vanilla townie #special

[the worst]

imo agree with Morality going last

[Morality]

Ruby: Tracker, Night 1 Tchill—>Maria, Unah—>Nowhere

TW
Azur
Unah
SIV
KO
Dunn
Lucky
Morality

[Morality]

its ok. i'd kill me every time. go after otter next.

You’re so cheeky, Chilly.

[UnaBombaH]

Why couldn’t Ruby be scum without Tchill?

I mean, Tchill was scum, so that’s obviously true now, but I don’t see why this was noticed beforehand.

OK, I'll try to explain my thoughts simply enough.

Assume scum!Ruby and Town!Chill last gameday.
It was always very unlikely that Chill was going to NOT be the lynch there, so there was no need for a townie to FAKEclaim a "guilty" on Chill. (=to make sure the lynch goes through)

But scum!Ruby would have even less of a reason to do it.

If Chill were to have flipped a VT for example, Ruby would've basically handed herself in for the sake of..what exactly?
I know guys like you could make that move as town to play around with the situation a bit and stir the soup, but I'd say any intelligent scum just shuts up in a situation where they know a townie is falsely "guiltied".
They are happy to openly vote there and take the mislynch!

So to me it became: "town!Chill *DOES NOT EQUAL* scum!Ruby". Or something like that.

Scum!Ruby could have the motivation of faking a "doubled guilty" on Chill for the slight chance that people just accept them as town and the setup favors such play (doc-protection over a JK or something?).
Remember that the remaining scum is now alone(?) so they'll likely feel a bit demotivated to "just play along".

[UnaBombaH]

Actually, I do see it after I typed all of this out, but I still want you to explain it to me, Unah.

Well, a good thing I typed it out then.

[UnaBombaH]

So if I am to believe that scum was going to be off the wagon, then Unah is all that is left.

Nah man, not every game with this..

However, Maria died Night 1. Scum was weakening the threat on Tchill, almost definitely a Tchill decision.

This shows scum felt threatened. The last scum islikely on the wagon.

...and you took the words from my mouth anyway..
I've townbinned Otter hard though, so you forming suspicions there is making me wonder..

[the worst]

Una pls claim

[Morality]

So if I am to believe that scum was going to be off the wagon, then Unah is all that is left.

Nah man, not every game with this..

However, Maria died Night 1. Scum was weakening the threat on Tchill, almost definitely a Tchill decision.

This shows scum felt threatened. The last scum islikely on the wagon.

...and you took the words from my mouth anyway..
I've townbinned Otter hard though, so you forming suspicions there is making me wonder..

I literally went over everyone in the game, don’t not every game with this me!

[the worst]

I'm actually kinda TRing Una I think but possible scum via PoE if my lower reads die

[Morality]

@Unah - if it helps your suspicions, Tchill fake claimed an inno on me, which to me seemed like a way to potentially have me get on his side. I also was solidly on both of the scum wagons, and I feel like I helped derail that Dunn wagon.

[Morality]

I'm actually kinda TRing Una I think but possible scum via PoE if my lower reads die

I have stated that I see Unah as town as well.