SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Taly]

lol wtf i p-edit during a shitpost and all the content magically happens now

[Taly]

I'm ok with this one

VOTE: Fire Assassin

pedit: lmfao Taly r u durnk

<3

Yeah, and I actually liked

PP

in that post.

VOTE: Fire Assassain

4th vote on the wagon

[Shoshin]

Why Maria and not PP or Vax?

And what do you think about the DV and Fire votes on Espe?

Maria over PP because I was slightly more suspicious of her on D1 and it sort of carried over into D2. But PP's rankings don't look like the rankings of a townie, so I'm open to lynching there (as I've indicated).

DV called Esp town yesterday, right? I'd be curious to hear about where the townread came from and why he changed his mind, but otherwise the votes on Esp are fine. I haven't liked Esp's posting today and I don't mind seeing pressure there.

[Taly]

I've talked about all of it already, but it's a combination of him being against pseudolynch and his interactions with you early, and then later, his claim and the circumstances surrounding his claim.

He's probably my top scumread ATM. I'm still debating who exactly I want to push for the day, but regardless, I can't really see any situation where I'm not at least OK with PP swinging today.

Talk to me about post 970

[Taly]

Shoshin

, talk to me about 970 too, and about

Fire

[the worst]

PP's rankings don't look like the rankings of a townie

How so

[PenguinPower]

But PP's rankings don't look like the rankings of a townie, so I'm open to lynching there (as I've indicated).

Do you think Fire's look like the rankings of a townie?

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 2.2

Fire Assassin

(4): PenguinPower, Dunnstral, the worst, Taly

Espeonage

(2): DeasVail, Fire Assassin

MariaR

(1): Shoshin

Not Voting

(8): TehBrawlGuy, Punreader, MariaR/Chara, Espeonage, Nahdia, Srceenplay, Vaxkiller

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-04 23:06:00)

[PenguinPower]

Not Voting (8): TehBrawlGuy, Punreader,

MariaR/Chara

, Espeonage, Nahdia, Srceenplay, Vaxkiller

Curious.

[Fire Assassin]

I have a cop guilty on Espeonage.

[PenguinPower]

And you decided that wasn't the first thing you should say...why?

[Fire Assassin]

I said I had a result in my first post and wanted to wait.
Did you read?

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

I said I had a result in my first post and wanted to wait.
Did you read?

To be more specific...why didn't you say you had a cop guilty in your first post?

[Fire Assassin]

Why did you vote me when I said I had a result and start this bad wagon on me?

[Fire Assassin]

Also the worst has flipped scum for jumping on me so quick.
That was bad.

[PenguinPower]

Why did you vote me when I said I had a result and start this bad wagon on me?

Because I didn't like your rankings list.

Now answer me. Thx.

[Shoshin]

970 is scummy for the same reasons that PP's willingness to die was scummy - it's sort of a self-destructive appeal to emotion that scum often use to manipulate townies because some townies mistakenly think that scum care too much about self-preservation to ever express a willingess to die or to suggest that their play shouldn't be townread. The reality is very different. Townies sometimes exhibit paranoia about strong townreads, but they don't categorically scumhunt the people who are townreading them in the way PP is. I find it very difficult to believe that a townie would say to themselves, "I'm not town enough to be read as town and thus the people townreading me are likely scum." I don't think PP's posting squares with a townie's perspective on the game, but if you look at PP's posting from a scum perspective, everything falls into place. Scum know that anyone who townreads them is wrong, which means those players are easier to mislynch because there's bound to be problems with their logic. The entire way PP's playing is very manipulative, it doesn't cohere with a townie's mindset, and it makes perfect sense as scum. So, yeah, I'd lynch him for 970, and I'd lynch him for his willingness to die to make sure Pun dies too.

[PenguinPower]

Oh god. The wall.

[Shoshin]

I have a cop guilty on Espeonage.

Interesting. Esp was in my list of possible scum, so I'm leaning towards believing this.

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: espe

I buy Fire's claim. I also think firewagon getting started as a counter to PP wagon indicates good things about PP being scum.

[Shoshin]

Fire, why'd you rank Maria as a 9?

[PenguinPower]

The PP wagon? Could you point out where that was?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I've talked about all of it already, but it's a combination of him being against pseudolynch and his interactions with you early, and then later, his claim and the circumstances surrounding his claim.

He's probably my top scumread ATM. I'm still debating who exactly I want to push for the day, but regardless, I can't really see any situation where I'm not at least OK with PP swinging today.

Talk to me about post 970

I don't hate it nearly as much as Sho does. Being busy is NAI, and I can see town!pp being wary of people ranking him highly as a buddying maneuver. Of course, I don't think we have town!pp, but there's much stronger things in the case against him that I think 970 is a waste to push over.

[TehBrawlGuy]

The PP wagon? Could you point out where that was?

You were the leading wagon EoD1 (albeit with 2 votes) and the last page was Taly voting you and both me and Sho pointing out we'd be fine with you as a lynch. I suppose it hadn't formed 100% yet, but with how you got ranked, it was clearly heading in that direction. I think Scum were heading it off.