SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Taly]

Ugh. I want to setup spec, but that's going to shove town further down a rabbit hole.

Just, with the amount of conflicting info in the thread, I cannot dismiss any claim or notion right now.

This type of situation is my personal hell as town. lol

There's too many variables to make a straightforward, valid assessment...

TBG

, you seem bothered by the unvoting on

Espe

, do you think he's scum without the claims/results?

Fire

, have you formulated your thoughts that lead to you thinking

Dunn

is scum yet?

Maria

, can you please outline why

Fire's

claim is BS and why it's odd to have 2 cops here?

PP

, what is difficult for you to digest about this entire situation?

DV

, with the recent pages, do you think it's more likely the entire group of 4 are all town?

(Espe/Dunn/Fire/Vax)

Espe

, we learned that

Fire

overlooked the

Nico

ranking, do you believe his claim is scum-motivated, or a town mistake?

Dunn

, given your vote, I'm assuming you believe

Maria

over

Fire

, why?

Making sure we all see this.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm not bothered by the unvoting on Espe, it's the claim bonanza chaos that's achieved nothing that bothers me.

I did think Espe was Scum regardless of roles, but if Fire messed up his results, wouldn't that mean we have a cop inno on Espe now? (assuming Fire's truthful)

[MariaR]

Maria, can you please outline why Fire's claim is BS and why it's odd to have 2 cops here?

I just dislike the way he went at it for the most part and since I used a cop check myself and I can't even do anything now it's like ???

[MariaR]

What are all the claims we have atm?

[Taly]

I need vax higher than fa

I need fa higher than vax

I've decided that I am enough of a negatively utility at this point that I'm going to claim.

I'm Shadoweh. Conditional Ascetic Townie with the passive that no actions from someone ranked lower than me can affect me, including night kills. This is why I suspected Punreader's BP claim.

Since I'm likely to be ranked low...claiming seemed to be beneficial.

I have content to respond to, which I will in circa 12 hours.
DO NOT END THE DAY BEFORE I CAN EXPLAIN WHY I AM DOING THIS AND GIVE RESPONSES TO THE RESPONSES TO MY READS.

Claim: Conditional Bulletproof/Conditional Vigilante; the conditions are inverses.

I actually lied.
I DO have a conditional bulletproof, but it only protects me from those who are ranked HIGHER; I was aiming for an ungated Vig, with the illusion of being bp.

To explain, I can kill people ranked lower than I am, but they can kill me; I can't kill people ranked higher than me, but they can't kill me.

This is why PenguinPower is literally a punclaim.

Details for everything in 12 hours.

I am a ranking cop. (With a certain amount of shots I won’t disclose)
Based on my rank the results I get are dependent on.

If I rank higher than the person I am checking I will get the results I should get if I was a normal cop
For example I check a Town night one and I rank higher than them then I will get “not mafia”
If I am lower I get the opposite of what I should get
In same example I would get “Mafia”

VOTE: fire
My invest was a cop as well I don't think we have 2 cops

1)

Dunn/Espe

, what happens if

Fire/Vax

was higher or lower? Does a positive or negative utility come from it?

2)

I'm curious whether

Maria's

role has potential in skewing her results like

Fire's

, but I don't want to pry for that.

3)

The more I think about it, I don't like the

Pine

shot from

Pun

much at all, but I don't know the scum-motive for that.

[Taly]

All 6 of these claims counter another in some form. :/

[Taly]

Whether it's through validity, or the role itself.

[MariaR]

Ok so I think I should just claim this
After the night I cop someone I become BP for that night so I doubt we have that many bps

[MariaR]

I don't think I would've been a night kill target so I think it was ok to claim that

[Taly]

What do you think of

PP/Pun

,

Maria

?

I really want to know your thoughts revolving around their play and claim.

[Taly]

I'm not bothered by the unvoting on Espe, it's the claim bonanza chaos that's achieved nothing that bothers me.

I did think Espe was Scum regardless of roles, but if Fire messed up his results, wouldn't that mean we have a cop inno on Espe now? (assuming Fire's truthful)

Technically, yes

[MariaR]

What do you think of

PP/Pun

,

Maria

?

I really want to know your thoughts revolving around their play and claim.

They need to prove there a vig and they haven't done so yet.
if they don't prove it tonight they prob are scum ye

[Taly]

Bins

Welcome, TwoInAMillion.

You singlehandedly made predictions easy for everyone.
You are

Bins

, the

Tracker Neighbor

.

Alignment: Town

-- You win when all threats to town are dead, and there is at least one member of town alive.

Active: Keeping Track

-- You are in a neighborhood with [REDACTED]. You know that [REDACTED] is "lalaladucks". You may speak during the night. Once per Night Phase, you may name a target in the neighborhood. You will learn who your target visited that night. You must both agree on the target. If one of you dies, you will lose this power.

12. Pine

(TOWN)

Average:

4.67

Number of 10s:

4

Number of 0s:

3

I shot Pine.

The NK didn't happen last night.

[MariaR]

ik.
we don't question it

[Taly]

Why is

PP

town to you?

[Taly]

Current Towbloc

Taly
the worst
Chara
MariaR
TehBrawlGuy

[Taly]

Eh...

Vax

can join townbloc too.

[MariaR]

Why is

PP

town to you?

I've been debating cause I have a bp too you know? Unless scum has like strongmans roleblockers city that aren't shot based all this power seems broken

[Taly]

@Maria

Yeah, I get that.

I'm realizing that nobody in this game has a straight vanilla role, most likely.

And I don't think anyone in this game has a clear pro-town or pro-scum role, and if they do, it's handicapped in some form.

If we have to go off recent play in this game, I'm iffy with

Pun

at the moment, namely his shot on

Pine

, which I want explained. While

Pine

did throw me through a loop, in hindsight, he was a strong guiding voice for town and he was too carefree and sharp to fabricate his motives or content.

If

Pun's

rankings, made by

Pine

, were already set in stone - why did

Pun

go ahead and shoot him? Why not shoot

PP

, his strong scumread and counterclaim? If the shot didn't work, we would have info. that gives

PP's

claim validity due to being a conditional BP; or at least ranking knowledge.

But then again,

Pine

was

Pun's

scumread... and why the fuck would scum have a role that allowed them to vig?

Part of me wants to wait on this to see what happens during the night, but I

hate

saying that.

~~~

Espe/Dunn

strike me as pocketing town like

Me/TW

and

You/Chara

lol

Espe/Dunn

are not playing the game safe at all if they were scum, and assuming

Fire

is being truthful, by PoE, I don't think I'm wanting a lynch/wagon on those two at all, at least not

Espe

.

I want to trust

Fire's

claim... but I don't know. There are things about

Fire

that I find very towny, and some, very scummy.

PP

has not impressed me yet. I like them better this dayphase. But after evaluating

PP/Pun's

claims, I wouldn't be surprised if one was scum. These two bother me. I'm actively expressing uncertainty with them and I don't think I'm getting anything from them.

[Taly]

I feel like... if I voted to lynch someone right now, it wouldn't be 100% based on a scumread... but literally for a flip so I have a better idea of what's going on.

But that's not optimal.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, given your vote, I'm assuming you believe Maria over Fire, why?

For the reasons I gave earlier as to why Fire's claim was scummy

I unvoted him after he changes his claim

The NK didn't happen last night.

I protected Espeonage from night kills

[the worst]

Maria is there any reason you could potentially doubt your ability?

[the worst]

uh doubt your result, rather

[MariaR]

nope vax is 100% town

[the worst]

the 80% thing was messing with my head