Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[skitter30]

I dont have an opinion on Bernie or irrelephant. I also like gamma slightly more mom.

P-edit: I dont like mom calling out invisibility for active lurking like two hours after the game started when they haven't done anything themselves.

I have no thoughts on invisibility

[skitter30]

The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.

This is what I'm liking about stungun

[the worst]

I have no thoughts on invisibility

I want to get this quote framed.

[skitter30]

duckling, you're kinda gut-pinging me as scum btw

[the worst]

it's ok, we've got a while for me to towntell

[the worst]

I might kinda follow you on the Stungun read.

[Keyser Söze]

I want to call Bernie Sanders into my office for a chat. I have a slight concern on his scum-read progression / timing of votes.

[Keyser Söze]

Welcome TW, I personally didn’t like your entrance (exclusive of the fact that it was me who you voted for).

Unfortunately you replaced in on a slot I did not have romantic feelings for, so let’s see if we can find scum

together

(if not, sadly your contract will be terminated)

[Keyser Söze]

@Skitter30

Hard to quote your long posts on my mobile so I’m going to have to copy and paste:


You wrote:
“Idk what 'couldn't resist the bite' means. She was misreading math's post and I pointed that out because what she was saying didn't make sense to me if she actually understood math's RVS post.”

My answer:
Thanks for your reply. I am sorry but I have this uneasy feeling that you were attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions. I have seen scum spend their time posting about such contradictions

instead

of having a more measured approach of meditating about the motivation of the player/could a town player have said this?/asking yourself ‘is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes?’

Shoshin’s entry and direction gave you that opportunity to ‘bite’.

Your only out here is if you may have been shortsighted. That is why I wore glasses when I approached the crash scene, that was page one

[Keyser Söze]

I feel like Stungun has turned things round for themselves and become a

cornerstone for enlightenment

.

Wellplayed (regardless of your alignment ) I am enjoying your method and delivery. We need an open voice

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, don’t know how anyone can have momrangel in their townpile right now.

[Keyser Söze]

Gamma bro, you’ve got to show me you’re trying to sort the playerlist

You’re not in the top half of my reads at the moment. You’ve been too nice and too distant so far

[the worst]

fair enough

[Keyser Söze]

Sensing some naturalness to Nauci’s posts. ‘Chatty’, indicating that they are comfortable/relaxed (?). She doesn’t force out hard stances (for the lack of “data”).
Nauci has a different take to the majority on many players (I think that’s a plus in her favour).

So far I feel like she’s doing her own thing right now (if a bit quiet). Not paranoid or suspicious of this slot yet, I.e no scum agenda found in her ISO.

[brassherald]

"Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy."

Votecount 1.4

skitter30(2)

~ Keyser Söze(36), Irrelephant11(15)

Nauci(2)

~ Mathdino(22), Shoshin(53)

Invisibility(2)

~ Momrangal(5), Bernie Sanders(34)

the worst(1)

~ Invisibility(26)

Shoshin(1)

~ skitter30(18)

northsidegal(1)

~ stungun0404(22)

Momrangal(1)

~ northsidegal(4)

Keyser Söze(1)

~ the worst(35)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Nauci(17)


Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald(13)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-02 17:10:00)

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[the worst]

VOTE: Momrangal

[Keyser Söze]

Hi TW, if you’re still there could you express why Bernie Sanders is “very towny”. You kept name dropping him, but couldn’t quite gauge the why and how from your posts.

[the worst]

I get a very natural impression of how he's gathering and processing information, he just kinda flows. It's just a thought process thing. It's possible I'm underestimating him on the basis of hidden alt and so forth but he just really struck me as above board.

how are you viewing him atm?

[Gamma Emerald]

initial ping was his treatment of Shoshin thru rvs/early game. also got the feeling he's avoiding town hunting and leaving avenues open for later. haven't really seen anything in there that screams town to me so far.

Talking about Key? I get why thinking about the game in terms of what's possible instead of what's probable feels scummy, but coupled with Key's genuinely inquisitive tone it actually feels pretty town to me. I also thought he was genuinely confused by my early play in a way that scum wouldn't openly admit, and I also get the sense that Key was genuinely excited about getting into the scumhunting part of the game so quickly.

I think this is not the time to worry about possible v probable
That comes when things are developed and you’re trying to sort the setup and such
Early day one no one’s done much of anything where possible v probable means much

[Gamma Emerald]

The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.

This is what I'm liking about stungun

I actually have to question this if it’s how you say it is: couldn’t he just be scum scripting his play to fit that?
Still townread stungun but your logic kinda seems weak

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma bro, you’ve got to show me you’re trying to sort the playerlist

You’re not in the top half of my reads at the moment. You’ve been too nice and too distant so far

Distant and nice is kinda the goal right now? I want to enjoy this as much as possible, getting into a big stink kinda defeats that goal. I’ll push what I think needs pushing but for now I’m kicking back.

[Bernie Sanders]

zzzzzzz
unfortunately research shows invis is kinda mad lynchbait, though I think he might still end up being scum regardless (and it is the case that I've a few times psyched myself to be overly wary of scum on such concerns)

@Mod

can you prod NSG please

[skitter30]

My answer:
Thanks for your reply. I am sorry but I have this uneasy feeling that you were attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions. I have seen scum spend their time posting about such contradictions instead of having a more measured approach of meditating about the motivation of the player/could a town player have said this?/asking yourself ‘is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes?’

Shoshin’s entry and direction gave you that opportunity to ‘bite’.

Your only out here is if you may have been shortsighted. That is why I wore glasses when I approached the crash scene, that was page one

a) 'attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions' - it was page1 RVS and discussing it pretty much got the game out of RVS? Imo that's basically how we leave RVS, by finding something to talk about. I guess I don't particularly object to the 'biting' notion you have, but I disagree that it was scum-motivated.

b) 'instead of having a more measured approach / asking yourself 'is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes''. That's the point; I don't think this was a rational sense if she understood that post wasn't serious, as she claims she does. I pointed out that she seemed to be applying a level of unreasonable scrutiny to what was obviously a joke RVS post to me, so I was pointing out that it wasn't a serious post in case she read it seriously when it wasn't meant to be read that way. She says she understood that it wasn't serious but that it was 'pro-scum' for reasons she didn't elaborate upon when I asked her to.

I don't understand how that was a rational stance to have to that post if she understood it wasn't serious; and I pointed out it wasn't serious in case she didn't understand that.

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The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.

This is what I'm liking about stungun

I actually have to question this if it’s how you say it is: couldn’t he just be scum scripting his play to fit that?
Still townread stungun but your logic kinda seems weak

I'm aware; it's not like I called him a super strong townread or anything. It's possible that it could be scripting but he keeps on referencing his thought process in his towngame and how it relates to this game and it's very *thorough* and *consistent* and that's basically how I play (by comparing a given scenario to a similar past scenario and trying to figure out if things from the past are applicable/useful here) so it's a thought process that makes sense to me.

[Bernie Sanders]

VOTE: Mathdino

This may be absolutely crazy but mathdino here isn't at all like what I thought I'd see
now, my experience reading mathdino has been generally to copy his meta reads on other people or see how he'd townlead rather than look at his own play for tells and I think the only scumgame I remember was in one of the neighbour themed games (with lovebird and some others?)
but I still feel like he doesn't have any fire in him here so to speak, if that makes any sense
Granted it's also possible it may just be too early and I was going to just give benefit-of-doubt/space but I'm actually not finding most other leads that promising here
it's also possible the gimmick is hiding or preventing mathdino and throwing things off, but even in that case I'd still be happy to have it end anyways

[Bernie Sanders]

Also @@@Mathdino I want thoughts on TW when you get here