Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[skitter30]

I'm kinda tending towards there actually tbh.

I really didn't like how he approached the gemini slot given newbie 1872.

I'm kinda waiting for him to talk about it and I'm willing to give him some time for a benefit-of-doubt thing.

I agree that the gimmick may be what's weird about him right now, but continuing that when people have said it's making him hard to read is :/

He was scum in a hydra in open 710 but he repped out pretty early after his partner repped out

[skitter30]

Can I guess who you are or would you prefer me not to?

[skitter30]

Actually the more I think about it the less certain I am that you're the person I'm thinking of, so nm

[Bernie Sanders]

Go ahead, I essentially talked about joining it on my main so it's essentially an open secret anyways

[Bernie Sanders]

Thanks for your reply. I am sorry but I have this uneasy feeling that you were attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions. I have seen scum spend their time posting about such contradictions

instead

of having a more measured approach of meditating about the motivation of the player/could a town player have said this?/asking yourself ‘is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes?’

This is probtown now FTR

[skitter30]

A50?

[Bernie Sanders]

Nah, also doesn't A50 setup spec like a mofo?
Eh tbh I don't think you had a chance to guess to begin with, I actually don't think we played before

[skitter30]

fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

My answer:
Thanks for your reply. I am sorry but I have this uneasy feeling that you were attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions. I have seen scum spend their time posting about such contradictions instead of having a more measured approach of meditating about the motivation of the player/could a town player have said this?/asking yourself ‘is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes?’

Shoshin’s entry and direction gave you that opportunity to ‘bite’.

Your only out here is if you may have been shortsighted. That is why I wore glasses when I approached the crash scene, that was page one

a) 'attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions' - it was page1 RVS and discussing it pretty much got the game out of RVS? Imo that's basically how we leave RVS, by finding something to talk about. I guess I don't particularly object to the 'biting' notion you have, but I disagree that it was scum-motivated.

b) 'instead of having a more measured approach / asking yourself 'is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes''. That's the point; I don't think this was a rational sense if she understood that post wasn't serious, as she claims she does. I pointed out that she seemed to be applying a level of unreasonable scrutiny to what was obviously a joke RVS post to me, so I was pointing out that it wasn't a serious post in case she read it seriously when it wasn't meant to be read that way. She says she understood that it wasn't serious but that it was 'pro-scum' for reasons she didn't elaborate upon when I asked her to.

I don't understand how that was a rational stance to have to that post if she understood it wasn't serious; and I pointed out it wasn't serious in case she didn't understand that.

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The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.

This is what I'm liking about stungun

I actually have to question this if it’s how you say it is: couldn’t he just be scum scripting his play to fit that?
Still townread stungun but your logic kinda seems weak

I'm aware; it's not like I called him a super strong townread or anything. It's possible that it could be scripting but he keeps on referencing his thought process in his towngame and how it relates to this game and it's very *thorough* and *consistent* and that's basically how I play (by comparing a given scenario to a similar past scenario and trying to figure out if things from the past are applicable/useful here) so it's a thought process that makes sense to me.

Ah I actually have a tendency to drop references to past games myself. I think I get this now.

[Gamma Emerald]

A50?

Lolpls
While it sounded like him at first a couple of things he said struck me as too different

[Bernie Sanders]

Gamma emerald you've had to like osmosis absorb at least something of what's going on by now with how much you're reading

[Bernie Sanders]

@The game
not the alt tangent

[Bernie Sanders]

you have to earn the right to fluff talk first.

[Mathdino]

Can't be A50 if he doesn't sound crazy
Now I admit that I've been acting pretty lazy
Had a lot of work this week so it takes some time
To really get into my games, regardless of the rhymes

I know you guys don't like self meta but there is one thing I'll say
I wouldn't restrict myself as scum like this on the first day
Maybe next time I roll scum I'll try another gimmick
But if I'm scum the first time I rhyme it ruins that one trick

In future games people would say "oh you must be scum
Since you've never rapped as town" so I'd be pretty glum
The trick to meta manipulation is when you try new things
Make sure you're town the first time you try so it doesn't ping

Anyway I've been on phone, I haven't read too much
I'll be more free in a day or two to really get in touch

[Bernie Sanders]

Gamma I'll offer you a position as my honorary second vote on math if you want

but really what do you think? I know you read both it and math posts if you've read skitters walls

[Mathdino]

Skittz and NSG should know why I don't like Gem
From post-game talks on 1872 I've had with both of them

[Bernie Sanders]

Zzzz meta manipulation phoneposting and hard I wouldn't do this gimmick as scum wifom

[skitter30]

Right, from my post-games talks with you regarding 1872 I don't get why you *don't* like her. You basically told me she can be read by post-count, and she wasn't in the game long enough for that to be a thing imo.

Like I *very* badly misread for 'being complacent and asking safe questions* and thought she was scum for it and that's why I lynched her, and you told me that wasn't AI and that I should read her by post count. I don't know what you're seeing here that's different.

also is that last post in sonnet form? if yes, very impressed.

p-edit: yeah I agree with that though

[Bernie Sanders]

Meh 2 of those are probably admittedly true (assuming meta was thought of pre-role pm anyways) though I do wonder as to the odds something like that gets dropped or maintained on red

[Bernie Sanders]

Math forget gem what about TW?

[Mathdino]

You expect me to lead when I still gotta read
I don't see a need, laying low is my creed

[skitter30]

I'm very much reminded of alisae in MKUltra (open 710) who basically repped in on a role-playing gimmick that was super annoying to read and kept it up despite people being annoyed, and was basically using it as a shield to avoid putting out readable content.

they even lynched a newbie for telling them it made them hard to read

[skitter30]

they were scum btw if that wasn't clear; incidentally, they replaced math in that game

[brassherald]

NSG posted 1 day 14 hours ago. Prods go out after two days without posting. I will not be prodding NSG at this time.

[Bernie Sanders]

the unfortunate thing is even if true the implications of wanting to establish a meta of rhyming like this every game are profoundly horrifying