Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

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we're scumbuddies and are trying to mislead you

[Irrelephant11]

heyyyy rude can you do that

[skitter30]

VOTE: the worst

i think i want to do this for now.

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Again, there is nothing in the rule book against using two other players to resolve your inner conflict.
"Correct"? Nothing is correct right now. They just have to convince me, and I need to convince myself. Weird question.

I didn't say there's a rule against it. It basically makes me feel like you're using the two of them as a proxy to figure it out.

your posts don't feel very real to me. idk how to explain that better right now.

[Irrelephant11]

pedit: I would be somewhat confused/surprised if skitter and keyser were aligned at this point. Mayyyybe t/t but then I have really weird scumteams in my head. Then again nsg replaced out and maybe she woulda been the more active mafiosa so we'll see how her replacement does

[Keyser Söze]

For right now:
{}
{stun}
{shoshin, bernie}
{nsg, irrelephant, invsibility, nauci} -- null
{mom, gamma}
{math}
{duckling}
{}

duckling last now?
This late shift doesn't look good for you now...


Surely you must have me in your reads somewhere? You give gamma and nsg a read but not me?!

[skitter30]

Idk why moving duckling is a problem for you?

I didn't give nsg a read. 'null' is not a read. I don't know where to put you; you're unsorted, by which I mean there's things I like (your early game observations), and things I don't like (tonally you feel really really really off). unsorted != null.

[Shoshin]

Nah, if scum isn't Nauci/Skitter/the worst, it's probably between Gamma/NSG.

this is

just

like a list of most of the people that are generally percieved to be sketchy

What do you mean by "just"? I think most of my townreads agree with me, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you?

[skitter30]

like I can't come to a conclusion either way right now because there's AI things pointing in both directions. null means I don't think the player posted AI things and/or didn't post at all.

[skitter30]

Nah, if scum isn't Nauci/Skitter/the worst, it's probably between Gamma/NSG.

this is

just

like a list of most of the people that are generally percieved to be sketchy

What do you mean by "just"? I think most of my townreads agree with me, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you?

i don't know what your townreads have to do with this. it's a list of consensus-scummy players. it's very safe.

[Momrangal]

I'm a consensus scummy player this game and I remain off that list

[skitter30]

I didn't say all of them were on that list?

[Shoshin]

Nah, if scum isn't Nauci/Skitter/the worst, it's probably between Gamma/NSG.

this is

just

like a list of most of the people that are generally percieved to be sketchy

What do you mean by "just"? I think most of my townreads agree with me, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you?

i don't know what your townreads have to do with this. it's a list of consensus-scummy players. it's very safe.

You think my reads are "safe"? That's just wrong. I've clearly stuck my neck out in defending certain players who aren't perceived as town (e.g. Mom/Irrelephant), and I've given some strong townreads on players who aren't perceived as strong town (e.g. Math/Irrelephant), so why interpret my reads as "safe" instead of "maybe there's something to this because all the likely townies are coming to a consensus"?

[Shoshin]

Nah, if scum isn't Nauci/Skitter/the worst, it's probably between Gamma/NSG.

this is

just

like a list of most of the people that are generally percieved to be sketchy

What do you mean by "just"? I think most of my townreads agree with me, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you?

i don't know what your townreads have to do with this. it's a list of consensus-scummy players. it's very safe.

You think my reads are "safe"? That's just wrong. I've clearly stuck my neck out in defending certain players who aren't perceived as town (e.g. Mom/

Invis

), and I've given some strong townreads on players who aren't perceived as strong town (e.g. Math/Irrelephant), so why interpret my reads as "safe" instead of "maybe there's something to this because all the likely townies are coming to a consensus"?

Fixing a mistake.

[Keyser Söze]

I'm a consensus scummy player this game and I remain off that list

x

[Shoshin]

Skitter, why is 501 suddenly "safe" but my reads in 269 (which mostly said the same thing with less nuance) went without comment?

[Shoshin]

What'd you think when you saw my reads in 269, Skitter?

[Keyser Söze]

It basically makes me feel like you're using the two of them as a proxy to figure it out.

Correct.

Is that scummy though?

[Shoshin]

Skitter's scumread on Math is pretty fucking bad, and given her recent concern about "safe" reads, I'm thinking it's an attempt to appear "non-safe." I find it hard to believe that town Skitter lists Math as scummier than her null reads.

[Keyser Söze]

Irrelephant11
Shoshin
stungun0404
Keyser Soze

Mathdino
Bernie

Nauci
the worst
northsidegal*
Invisibility

Gamma Emerald
skitter

Why is Gamma down there?

[skitter30]

Nah, if scum isn't Nauci/Skitter/the worst, it's probably between Gamma/NSG.

this is

just

like a list of most of the people that are generally percieved to be sketchy

What do you mean by "just"? I think most of my townreads agree with me, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you?

i don't know what your townreads have to do with this. it's a list of consensus-scummy players. it's very safe.

You think my reads are "safe"? That's just wrong. I've clearly stuck my neck out in defending certain players who aren't perceived as town (e.g. Mom/

Invis

), and I've given some strong townreads on players who aren't perceived as strong town (e.g. Math/Irrelephant), so why interpret my reads as "safe" instead of "maybe there's something to this because all the likely townies are coming to a consensus"?

Fixing a mistake.

I think that the list of people you currently scumread is comprised of a list of people that are generally scumread across the board, and yes, I think that's safe.

I think that the consensus is wrong on at least two people (me, and I don't think NSG lurking is remotely AI in this instance), and I think that you have pre-concieved notions and that you're letting them dictate your suspicions, especially when you're being given feedback that magnifies those beliefs.

you're probably town but i think that there are several flaws in how you approach this game tbh

[skitter30]

I like to lynch scum on D1 and anything less feels like a failure to me.

Bernie's tough to read. Lots of nothingness but there's a hint of town in the way he helped me pressure Stun but then switched onto Invis because he couldn't maintain the farce. Even if Bernie's really strong as scum, I'm not sure he'd express that sentiment while switching his vote onto obvious lynchbait. So probably not lynching Bernie today.

I'm varying degrees of town on Math, Invis, Key, Mom, and Irrelephant. Stun's a weaker read but for the moment happy to put aside. So I'm thinking we need to sort out Gamma, NSG, Skitter, Nauci, and the worst.

Honestly I don't remember reading this post.

[Shoshin]

I didn't say NSG was scummy. I said she's scum if my scumreads flip town, because that still leaves her as null when compared my townreads, making NSG scum by poe. What's the flaw in that approach? What "pre-conceived notions" are clouding my judgment?

[Keyser Söze]

Skitter's scumread on Math is pretty fucking bad, and given her recent concern about "safe" reads, I'm thinking it's an attempt to appear "non-safe." I find it hard to believe that town Skitter lists Math as scummier than her null reads.

In my eyes, when Mathdino turned up her tune changed to:

[skitter30]

It basically makes me feel like you're using the two of them as a proxy to figure it out.

Correct.

Is that scummy though?

I'm not sure it is. It does make that post feel weird though.

Skitter's scumread on Math is pretty fucking bad, and given her recent concern about "safe" reads, I'm thinking it's an attempt to appear "non-safe." I find it hard to believe that town Skitter lists Math as scummier than her null reads.

yes, me, as scum, thinks its a *really* good idea to scumread town!math and deliberately start a fight with him, kudos for figuring that out.

like, if i'm scum i do my *very* best to avoid math and like *not* catch his attention because he can read me properly and i hate being scumread and like ... calling attention to myself as scum.

[Momrangal]

Why is Gamma down there?

Gut
Associatives
Safe play

And some other things. Like... IDK, he's not playing outside his realm of meta but like, I can easily see him as a buddy with skitter, and possibly duck.

He says he's excited for his first game back, and I get that but his posts don't seem to be relaying that same excitement and it seems kinda mechanical