Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[skitter30]

I didn't say NSG was scummy. I said she's scum if my scumreads flip town, because that still leaves her as null when compared my townreads, making NSG scum by poe. What's the flaw in that approach? What "pre-conceived notions" are clouding my judgment?

I don't see the harm in speculating about the scumteam on D1. As I said before, I intend to lynch scum on D1 and part of doing that includes analyzing potential teams as corroborative evidence.

pre-flips in a word. you're looking for teams and looking for evidence that backs up those teams.

I had Mom as town for similar reasons to Irrelephant, as well as her answer to my question in 163. Her play was also consistent with her town meta so nothing to worry about.

here too: you start off assuming he's town, check his meta, don't see anything to contradict that assumption, so you keep him as town.

are you actually successful at cold-meta-reading people? (do you often ignore questions? It's very hard getting you to answer things directed straight at you)

You basically have pre-concieved notions and you're finding evidence that fits instead of the other way around.

[Shoshin]

He says he's excited for his first game back, and I get that but his posts don't seem to be relaying that same excitement and it seems kinda mechanical

I was thinking the same thing; would have expected more from someone "excited" to be back.

[skitter30]

Skitter's scumread on Math is pretty fucking bad, and given her recent concern about "safe" reads, I'm thinking it's an attempt to appear "non-safe." I find it hard to believe that town Skitter lists Math as scummier than her null reads.

In my eyes, when Mathdino turned up her tune changed to:

no it didn't, and that's a gross misrepresentation of my interaction with math yesterday

[Shoshin]

pre-flips in a word. you're looking for teams and looking for evidence that backs up those teams.

This is incorrect. You must not know what the word "corroborative" means.

[Momrangal]

yes, me, as scum, thinks its a *really* good idea to scumread town!math and deliberately start a fight with him, kudos for figuring that out.

like, if i'm scum i do my *very* best to avoid math and like *not* catch his attention because he can read me properly and i hate being scumread and like ... calling attention to myself as scum.

Sadly, this probably the towniest thing you made.

It's also self meta and being aware of this nullifies it completely

[skitter30]

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/corroborative

[Momrangal]

here too: you start off assuming he's town, check his meta, don't see anything to contradict that assumption, so you keep him as town.

Please tell me you're talking about elephant here

[Irrelephant11]

do you often ignore questions? It's very hard getting you to answer things directed straight at you)

I will vouch for the fact that this is true of town Shoshin, and is part of why I'm having an easier time townreading her than most players

[Keyser Söze]

Skitter's scumread on Math is pretty fucking bad, and given her recent concern about "safe" reads, I'm thinking it's an attempt to appear "non-safe." I find it hard to believe that town Skitter lists Math as scummier than her null reads.

In my eyes, when Mathdino turned up her tune changed to:

no it didn't, and that's a gross misrepresentation of my interaction with math yesterday

I obviously didn’t pick up the tonal shift.

I’ll let Mathdino explain his side.

[Irrelephant11]

Or, *than some players

since it seems like a solid 1/2+ the player list leans her town atm

[skitter30]

yes, me, as scum, thinks its a *really* good idea to scumread town!math and deliberately start a fight with him, kudos for figuring that out.

like, if i'm scum i do my *very* best to avoid math and like *not* catch his attention because he can read me properly and i hate being scumread and like ... calling attention to myself as scum.

Sadly, this probably the towniest thing you made.

It's also self meta and being aware of this nullifies it completely

i mean, if scum!me could actually replicate what i do as town it would make my scumgames remarkably less stressful, but i can't, so yeah.

either way i literally never interact with math that way as scum

[skitter30]

here too: you start off assuming he's town, check his meta, don't see anything to contradict that assumption, so you keep him as town.

Please tell me you're talking about elephant here

i'm talking about shoshin checkin invsibility's meta; idk what elephant has to do with it

[Shoshin]

here too: you start off assuming he's town, check his meta, don't see anything to contradict that assumption, so you keep him as town.

are you actually successful at cold-meta-reading people? (do you often ignore questions? It's very hard getting you to answer things directed straight at you)

You basically have pre-concieved notions and you're finding evidence that fits instead of the other way around.

This is also incorrect.

I read Mom as town based on actual behaviors in this game, not based on an assumption, and I checked her meta to make sure I wasn't completely off. What that means is I read her town games and scum games and I was looking to prove myself wrong about her in this game. I was unable to do so, becaus what I found is that her play here is consitent with her play in town games and actually slightly different from her play in scum games. This is the opposite of "finding evidence that fits instead of the other way around." I started null on her, found behaviors that I liked (e.g. push on Invis and response to my question in 163), and then I checked her meta to try proving myself wrong just in case I was getting ahead of myself.

Yes, I often ignore silly questions because it's a pretty good way to see how much the player cares about a silly question. I've caught scum this way more than once.

[Momrangal]

The quote right above that is me and my meta and her town reading me based off it and how I'm town similarly to why ele is town I'm her eyes. Just making sure im not misgendered (again ) carry on

[Shoshin]

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/corroborative

Right. I'm not looking for teams. I'm looking for townies and for scumbags.

Then, I check whether the emerging picture of the game makes any sense by seeing if the three scummiest players make sense as a team. This last step is called corroboration if the team makes sense. Sometimes, the team doesn't make sense and I have to reevaluate the reads themselves.

[Irrelephant11]

Just making sure im not misgendered (again ) carry on

come on y'all it's mom not dad

[Nauci]

Holy crap y'all were active on the weekend

I deep cleaned my boyfriend's nasty apartment for like 11 hours and have been recovering from the extraordinary soreness since

Catching up once I get home!

[Irrelephant11]

yay welcome back friend

I'm voting you

[Gamma Emerald]

heyyyy rude can you do that

lol, just wanted to get a rise out of you, but it does kinda feel that way, still thinking you're town rn tho

[stungun0404]

The problem I’m having with both bernie sanders and skitter early on is that a lot of their content seems difficult to interpret a town motive to, and it’s difficult ascertaining that through the points they are pushing forward—like there’s no

clear

town motive, which makes me feel uneasy. I need to iso and probably take about an hour apiece on the two of them to see what motives—if any—i can ascertain. both don’t seem to have a primarily pro-town focus, and that’s what gets me before i’d townread them officially.

Meanwhile, just looked through other nsg replace-outs to see if I could gather anything, and lo and behold I came across something suspicious. And given the circumstances, I do

feel confident

in asserting that one of the worst or nsg IS scum, because I feel there’s too much evidence between the two options that would support either replace-out being scum for them

BOTH

to be town. However, if one flips scum, I do find it highly unlikely the other flips scum, because having 2 scum replace-outs on d1 would surely be an outlier type of game. has anybody ever seen that happen?

Anyways, here’s what I happened upon, courtesy of another game she was in:

wait, i just remembered that you were my scumbuddy in double elimination.

what are you even talking about then, bu? you of all people should know what i'm saying. i literally

did not post once

that game becaues i was scum.

you were also my buddy in open 716, which i flaked out of (the only game so far i've ever replaced out of).

what is your deal? you of all people should

know

what i'm talking about.

So apparently, nsg flakes out of some of her scum games, which is pretty damning. Leads me to think there’s a decent chance she’s scum this game.



UNVOTE: Momrangal.

Still a null read for me, but I don’t think this slot is official D1 lynch material, and I’m actually more wary of the people that were on her wagon (the worst, nsg, and skitter), so back to the drawing board. I’ll see if I can post reads here shortly on everybody and their mother.

[Gamma Emerald]

Irrelephant11
Shoshin
stungun0404
Keyser Soze

Mathdino
Bernie

Nauci
the worst
northsidegal*
Invisibility

Gamma Emerald
skitter

Why is Gamma down there?

What have I done to deserve being higher? You haven't seemed to have that high of an opinion of me so far so this is off-color imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Gamma down there?

Gut
Associatives
Safe play

And some other things. Like... IDK, he's not playing outside his realm of meta but like, I can easily see him as a buddy with skitter, and possibly duck.

He says he's excited for his first game back, and I get that but his posts don't seem to be relaying that same excitement and it seems kinda mechanical

Yes I am excited
But I'm not being super-hyper this game. Get the drift?

[Gamma Emerald]

stungun have I missed any questions you've asked me? I haven't seen any.

[skitter30]

The quote right above that is me and my meta and her town reading me based off it and how I'm town similarly to why ele is town I'm her eyes. Just making sure im not misgendered (again ) carry on

for some reason i read it as being about invisiblity and was talking about him; i read it again and i know that it has your name in it so idk why i did that.
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http://www.dictionary.com/browse/corroborative

Right. I'm not looking for teams. I'm looking for townies and for scumbags.

Then, I check whether the emerging picture of the game makes any sense by seeing if the three scummiest players make sense as a team. This last step is called corroboration if the team makes sense. Sometimes, the team doesn't make sense and I have to reevaluate the reads themselves.

ok, i'm sorry, i misread that corraborative quote as you placing more import on associatives than you actually apparently do; i guess i misunderstood what you meant by that and i apologize.

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So apparently, nsg flakes out of some of her scum games, which is pretty damning. Leads me to think there’s a decent chance she’s scum this game.

she just /outed for all the games she's in queues for; it isn't a game-specific thing. I don't know if she's scum or town but i really really really don't think repping out here is AI right now.

[Shoshin]

Skitter's scumread on Math is pretty fucking bad, and given her recent concern about "safe" reads, I'm thinking it's an attempt to appear "non-safe." I find it hard to believe that town Skitter lists Math as scummier than her null reads.

In my eyes, when Mathdino turned up her tune changed to:

I didn't read it this way. What post from Skitter made you think this?