Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[stungun0404]

stungun have I missed any questions you've asked me? I haven't seen any.

hadn’t gotten to the bottom of the player list yet. only keyser and you have gone unaddressed.

anyways,

@keyser, since I’m having trouble with this myself, I’d like you to build opposing cases for a town—bernie sanders and a scum—bernie sanders and see which alignment adds up more to you. can you help me out with this? i’m gonna look into him when i have the chance myself.

hmm... @gamma, which of the replace-outs do you feel is more likely to flip town?
my answer: this is a double-edged sword, as neither slot has convinced me of anything even remotely pro-town, but probably nsg if i had to guess right now because of skitter’s abovementioned statement of her /out-ing for other games as well, which i hadn’t seen. seems plausible for a town case given the circumstancial evidence supporting it, and gemini’s replace out seems weird after we were looking forward to playing in the same faction in this game, and i am town, so it’s a possibility she didn’t like not being on a scum team without me on it as well, which we would have both enjoyed.

[stungun0404]

my short answer, though, is that bernie is nullscum.

[Shoshin]

Skitter, I don't get why you're defending NSG so strongly if she's just null for you...

[Invisibility]

haha instead of going to internet i took a really nice nap and now i have 12 pages to read

[Gamma Emerald]

stungun have I missed any questions you've asked me? I haven't seen any.

hadn’t gotten to the bottom of the player list yet. only keyser and you have gone unaddressed.

anyways,

@keyser, since I’m having trouble with this myself, I’d like you to build opposing cases for a town—bernie sanders and a scum—bernie sanders and see which alignment adds up more to you. can you help me out with this? i’m gonna look into him when i have the chance myself.

hmm... @gamma, which of the replace-outs do you feel is more likely to flip town?
my answer: this is a double-edged sword, as neither slot has convinced me of anything even remotely pro-town, but probably nsg if i had to guess right now because of skitter’s abovementioned statement of her /out-ing for other games as well, which i hadn’t seen. seems plausible for a town case given the circumstancial evidence supporting it, and gemini’s replace out seems weird after we were looking forward to playing in the same faction in this game, and i am town, so it’s a possibility she didn’t like not being on a scum team without me on it as well, which we would have both enjoyed.

My logic is the exact same as yours. Yeah nsg flaking out is ehhh but given the ubiquitous drop-out I think it's passable, while the gemini replace is fishy for the reasons you stated.

[skitter30]

Skitter, I don't get why you're defending NSG so strongly if she's just null for you...

Because I dont think its AI and I think it's a bad reason to scumread her given the context.

[Mathdino]

Still pretty busy, I want more from Vizzy
This game got fuckin frizzy, and skitter's town... Or is she?

[the worst]

duckling, you feel a lot more ... reserved than you usually do. Or like, out of it, or, like, less *present*. Idk how to say that better.

do you or do you not know who BS is?

I've read half the game.

Yeah I have a very strong suspicion on who BS is.

[Invisibility]

bleh i dont want to read the game right now
[excuse]

[Mathdino]

duckling, you feel a lot more ... reserved than you usually do. Or like, out of it, or, like, less *present*. Idk how to say that better.

do you or do you not know who BS is?

I've read half the game.

Yeah I have a very strong suspicion on who BS is.

It's not a tough task if you know who to ask
Gonna sit here and bask, knowing BS is

Spoiler:

a mask

[Bernie Sanders]

@BS: rask?

Now, I'm not saying that's true but if it was finally. Kinda surprised gamma or otherwise didn't get guess there and you end up being the one to

Finally Re: all meta requests -> search list, wiki has organised game chart Bon Appetit

pedit HMMMM

[Shoshin]

Skitter, I don't get why you're defending NSG so strongly if she's just null for you...

Because I dont think its AI and I think it's a bad reason to scumread her given the context.

Is this something you do as town? Defend players who you don't read as town?

[Mathdino]

I knew from the start, main-hunting is art
Didn't see skitt's post so I'm pretending I'm smart

[the worst]

Oh yeah I read Shoshin as yikes level lynchbait and your push was scummy

FTR you're more likely town than Shoshin atm I'm just not happy about it

So what I'm getting out of this is:
Shoshin reads as lynchbait
Keyser pushing Shoshin is bad
Keyser still reads town otherwise
Am I correct?

Did at game start yeah

[the worst]

duckling, you feel a lot more ... reserved than you usually do. Or like, out of it, or, like, less *present*. Idk how to say that better.

do you or do you not know who BS is?

I've read half the game.

Yeah I have a very strong suspicion on who BS is.

It's not a tough task if you know who to ask
Gonna sit here and bask, knowing BS is

Spoiler:

a mask

[skitter30]

@BS: rask?

Now, I'm not saying that's true but if it was finally. Kinda surprised gamma or otherwise didn't get guess there and you end up being the one to

Finally Re: all meta requests -> search list, wiki has organised game chart Bon Appetit

pedit HMMMM

i finally put together something i remember you saying on the discord, and then checked rask's account and saw that the references regarding your sig and gamma added up.

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Skitter, I don't get why you're defending NSG so strongly if she's just null for you...

Because I dont think its AI and I think it's a bad reason to scumread her given the context.

Is this something you do as town? Defend players who you don't read as town?

if i think the scumread on them is stupid, yes, even if i'm not townreading them. if you really need me to i could pull up a bunch of examples

[Mathdino]

Naucis still null, idk about north
But skitter is full of town indicative sorts
Of posting, so I'll put her as just above center
Irrelephant too, my townreads' newest member

[Bernie Sanders]

mmm irrelephants quick turn off keysor is odd because it seemed like a vote he was good with so even if stungun protested to go from it to skitter doesnt feel right

it reminds me too that skitter had a showing where they came back with a fair bit of content and I was thinking how irrelephant and keysor would react, keysor did but irrelephant didn't analyse or react and the vote for pressure in that context doesn't make sense either

But oh I thought tw was still voting him. It’s boring being the only vote for him rn so I’ll go back to VOTE: skitter because I feel confident town can pressure nsg and any other lurkers without me and I want more from skit

also minor point but feels kinda overjustified

idk about the turn to nauci yet

[the worst]

Sup
I was right
Normally can't call alts to save myself, our very recent discussion about how we both play was extremely convenient

[Shoshin]

if i think the scumread on them is stupid, yes, even if i'm not townreading them. if you really need me to i could pull up a bunch of examples

Examples would be appreciated, yes.

[the worst]

I can't work out if skitter feels off because she's scum of because she's tunneling me. This is not a great point in our friendship for her to try and tone read me as a hard scumread.

[Mathdino]

mmm irrelephants quick turn off keysor is odd because it seemed like a vote he was good with so even if stungun protested to go from it to skitter doesnt feel right

Quick turns are a towntell, don't get all confused
Read TM White Flag, you might be amused

[the worst]

also post reveal Bernie Sanders remains probably my strongest townread I think

[the worst]

probs yeah
Stun reads well but I'm reserving judgement a teeny bit.

[Bernie Sanders]

Maybe just me but TW comes off cagey in exchange w/ keysor page 18 19
as in acting more casual or relaxed than I feel like he really is if that makes any sense? granted this is tone spec and I'd like people more familiar with TW to comment
its mostly this kind of feeling I've gotten post replace that makes me not comfortable but I'd want more cross reference regarding this

still catching