Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Irrelephant11]

We’re going in circles now Skitter. I shouldn’t have voted you to get more content (something I did kinda by mistake). There was enough content. This is why I unvoted when you pointed that out.

I wanted more content to see if the “I don’t/I’m not” pattern continued, and it sort of did, but then you explained it and now you’re a nullread

I think we agree this all happened. Is there something scummy here I still need to address or something you don’t understand?

[Keyser Söze]

Skitter, do you finally scum read me? You’ve been talking to me like I am town

I’m perplexed how you could read my posts about you but still like me. So I’m no longer a townie with bad reads,

but scum who wants to misslynch you?

[Keyser Söze]

"As I have stated previously, I believe we need a national union, granted by an act of Parliament but bringing greater independence to our colonies. The French are an immediate threat and we are ill-prepared to face them. To put it bluntly, the colonies must join, or die."

Votecount 1.7

the worst(3)

~ Invisibility(28), skitter30(61), Bernie Sanders(81)

Nauci(3)

~ Mathdino(54), Shoshin(90), Irrelephant11(41)

skitter30(2)

~ Keyser Söze(85), Momrangal(27)

Momrangal(2)

~ northsidegal(5), the worst(68)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Nauci(18)


Not Voting (2): stungun0404(32), Gamma Emerald(34)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-02 17:10:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Searching for a replacement for northsidegal.

Votecount looks much healthier now.

If skitter is not viable / if I’m wrong about skitter, the worst lynch interests me more than the Nauci lynch. Still not a lot to Nauci’s ISO. I’d be putting faith into your meta-tells. Incredible feat from you guys if she flips red.

[skitter30]

I think we agree this all happened. Is there something scummy here I still need to address or something you don’t understand?

No, I understand quite well; I guess Im just emphasizing that I don't really find that explanation satisfactory.

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Skitter, do you finally scum read me? You’ve been talking to me like I am town

I’m perplexed how you could read my posts about you but still like me. So I’m no longer a townie with bad reads,

but scum who wants to misslynch you?

???

I never classified you as townie with bad reads, and my read has since degraded from 'minor townlean' to 'idk how to sort this guy right now because I see a lot of concerning things even though I liked his very early game'; this morning we even had a convo about me not sure how to sort you, and I haven't expressed a change in my read of you since then. idk why you're asking me if I 'finally scumread you', or like why you're framing my read of you as 'scum who wants to mislynch me' given that I never said anything of the sort.

I also haven't said recently that I like your posts.

Honestly I dont know where you're getting most of this post from because very little of it reflects my stance on you.

Can you answer the 'is English ur first language' question please?

[Irrelephant11]

And I’m emphasizing that that makes sense. I’ll trust that i come across towny enough otherwise to deserve a townread overall

[Nauci]

Catch up through page 8

my answer: aside from nsg, i’d be most prone to join the gemini wagon as of right now because i don’t have any sort of town vibe from her yet, and i shared a town mason with her last game i played. i feel like her questions might have an intent of stirring the pot—so that would be my official reasoning. i would like to see more AI content from her. haven’t gotten much of that yet. i want to give her a chance to give some gamereads first though, because she’s not one i want to gang up on yet. after all, she’s the main reason i decided to join this game (well along with invisibility playing and mwnn’s alt modding). but i can’t deny that something feels off from her content so far.

@nauci: between the lurkers (players with 10 or less posts so far), which one(s) do you feel are most likely to be pushing forward a town agenda as of now, and which one(s) a scum agenda?

my answer: i have to go with nsg for scum agenda, because not having much substance to her posts is why i couldn’t gather much of anything when she was scum in the game i played with her where i was town and she was scum. my answer would be gamma emerald on the basis of making an effort to townread (townleans already on skitter and keyser soze), and not yet pushing forward any scumreads. i don’t see that sort of effort so far from any of the other lurkers

p-edit: @irrelephant: i’m not all “lynch the lurkers” at all. i’m adamant about pushing more content out of the lurkers, which is a clear difference. this is how i always play d1 as town, because i’ve learned from the mistakes of not doing so (case in point: lynchpin mafia where nsg and creature lurked their way to victory). and anyways, scum have a serious tendency on d1 to stay in the background, and we cannot allow that to happen. I definitely don’t like that you are the one arguing against lynching all lurkers, when your content so far could be considered lurker all by itself (7 posts with several of them looking like they may be trying to spread doubt about the gamestate + no given townreads), so spreading doubt about that doesn’t really look good to me coming from your perspective. it’d be different if it was someone like shoshin or keyser soze saying this, but it’s not in this case. i also don’t see how you are reluctant to townread keyser, the evidence is there

more questions to come as i try to make some early predictions. power went out while making this post, so had to switch from ipad to mobile. good thing i had everything copied already.

The whole issue w/ people lurking is that there's very little content to sort them by. I find that the #1 strategy for scum is coasting by (my unintentional AFK helped me out a TON in my game scumming w/ Irrelephant), so I couldn't have answered that beyond my existing vote on Gamma for having very nearly 0 substance posts at the time of my vote. Not sure how I feel about a few weak town reads since then. I need more posts to have any idea if there's even a discernible agenda from said lurkers, whether it's town or scum.

My opinion of NSG from the games I've seen is that she can be a little quiet early on but has every ability to town HARD as the game progresses. I'm not willing to vote there atm but definitely something I expect to see later on if she's town.

Day 1 (but also in general) my meta is to push less active posters, so my "lynch the lurker" stuff isn't just some lazy tactic. I think that talkative voices getting into fights has been what let scum hide almost every game I've participated in, so it tends to be the biggest red flag to me when I don't have meta knowledge on a player. I'm very much in agreement w/ Stun on this one.

it’s worth noting, actually, that gemini and i stated in a pm before this game that we were really looking forward to being the same faction again this game; so her replacing out might actually be a scum-indicative replace-out, especially with her doing it after she’s put under pressure for the first time. i prompted her to sign up for this game, and we were looking forward to playing with each other again.

but at the same time, this could also mean she’s got things going on irl, that she has general disinterest, or other things. so i want to give her replacement a chance first before i jump to any conclusions from this, but also want to throw it out there since i am town this game and had already sensed that she might be scum. sure enough, it’s a scumlean for me until further content develops, though

@skitter: what’s your reason to believe shoshin is scum playing super aggressively?

Hmm I'm not sure what the replacement speculation is worth.

Very much would like to see the Skitter/Shoshin question answered, however.

I am not a huge fan of Shosh's posts just because they're so unlike my style/way of thinking, but it does seem unlikely for scum to play so aggressively unless it's already in her meta, if anyone could enlighten us on that.

I don’t see the direction you’re heading with hem.

This series of questions/contributions felt like the most number of words for the least amount of sortable/productive content possible; still feeling not good about this slot.

[Nauci]

Through P11

201 204 Math I can't deal with your PR if I have no idea what you're saying

205

Okay so my one game with irrelephant was pretty intense. He played a brilliant scum while I had real life in my way. He's excellent at asking thoughtful (or at least thoughtful-sounding) questions and was hard town read by at least half of the game beginning day 1. He's also great at town reading people in ways that leave the slots open to plausible change of mind (like in that post). He's prone to lots of pre-planning and strategizing, increasingly so later in the game (we had probably the most active scum thread of the year in our little newbie game), and went from a relatively precocious posting style to rather aggressive mislynch pushing by day 3. Very excellent at spinning up mislynch reasons. I was both super excited about playing w/ him again, and totally dreading the amount of paranoia I am now going through because he's a damn good player.

I would expect a scumrelephant to keep FOSing me because I will be the most suspicious of him and be a pain in his side unless I die. Thus far I'd say he's a null read from me with a helping of extreme caution, so I'd be wary of a "oh he's making lots of effort" town sort, (semi-directed at Shoshin in 207 but also just generally). IMO, he can be sorted but only with a lot of pressure.

i'm too tired to think

I don't know your meta but this type of post usually is excellent smokescreening.

Even if you don't like the way Invis posts, 158, 168, and 169 should clear him. I highly doubt he'd make either of these as scum.

I like the reasoning you later post for this comment, but disliked that you like the posts town reading you.

quack quack

Oh gee oh boy hello

I was reading the game

because the rapping is

and soft mind melded with Gemini a couple of times so the slot was too good to pass up

Duckster is a lot of fun to play with but largely because he is a master of bullshitting sooooooo

Bernie I appreciate you wanting lurkers to not lurk but I find it hard to believe you think everyone who’s posted regularly reads town

Like just the plausibility that the scumteam is all lurkers atm is <1%

I mean I think we learned a hard lesson in the newbie game about taking the conversation away from prosecuting lurking and into "oh who of the loud people would be scum" based on some vague "oh there's no way all of the scum would be lurking/off (or on) wagon" or whatever. Especially in d1.

I know because I taught that lesson to the game haha.

...but I know you know so I'm moving you into the bad-feels pile for this one.

nauci who would you look at if you ignored gamma for a second?
he can take some time to warm up tbh

I take a pressure-the-lurkers stance for at least half of day 1 usually because I have a hard time forming reads off of just a handful of posts. At best, I can think that any particular set of posts was plausibly scum-faked, or motivated? I'd say I have bad-feels about irrelephant, nsg, and the worst, and bad "I can't read this at all which is bad in itself" feels about gamma, math, and invis. I feel not-bad about shosh, keyser, Bernie, and my not-bad feels about skitter have cooled down to null for the moment.

Even if you don't like the way Invis posts, 158, 168, and 169 should clear him. I highly doubt he'd make either of these as scum.

why exactly for the record?
I'm only saying this because it reminds me of when I townread lovebird one time for somewhat comparable townread/paranoia/elsewhere progression (except it was harder; my thought was why bother faking that strange progression?)

Yes, that's part of it. Also:

158 shows a very clear and natural thought process for town to have - "oh, Sho is town but I disagree with her because it looks like it's more of a misunderstanding" - but it's also a thought process that's pretty foreign to scum and not easy to fake. Scum usually express agreement with someone when townreading them, or disagreement when scumreading. But disagreement coupled with townreading in a situation where that's a perfectly natural thought process is pretty difficult to fake.

168 shows some natural second-guessing that town tend to have in these types of situations.

169 reflects some of the thoughts I was having about Gemini at the time and that I'm sure a lot of town would have when figuring out who to vote. I think scum would have jumped onto someone that was already being voted at this point instead of pursuing something new.

A+ post would love to see more "here's what made me feel bad" posts; there's always the argument that directly calling something out might make scum more aware of what they're doing wrong and correct it but I don't know if I think that's a super convincing argument.

[the worst]

HI NAUCI!!!!

[the worst]

master of bullshitting

....you know me so well

[Irrelephant11]

Well that sure is a bunch of words about me that make it easier for y’all to want to lynch me

Hey at least now you can all probably see that me/Nauci isn’t s/s wooo

Re:hard lesson about lurkers/not lurkers: we didn’t actually teach the lesson you’re saying we did though (that lurking is a cover for a scum player) because your slot and mine were the two most middle-of-the-road in terms of post count. Hm. I believe town-you would be paranoid of me (you said as much before we signed up) but I’m not sure I’m convinced you actually scumread me?

I’ll wait to say more till you’re caught up; I only responded because how dare you sully my good name

[Nauci]

279

Agreed on Shosh, like these explanation posts, agreed on momrangal (append to "I can't seem to read this slot" list).

I liked 283 quite a bit. Not-bad vibes are back on the menu.

284 :< Stupid sexist internet statistics. This is the most women I've ever seen in one mafia game (...or maybe on any internet forum thread I've participated in...), which is neat.

Stun, that's a very odd way to use/define "take advantage of" to the point where it doesn't make sense except as a retcon explanation.

Agreed with 285 on the question to duckster: what were those "couple of times"?

Side note, I think that putting the worst under a lot of pressure makes him very sortable, but this is mostly based on the one instance where Mathdino hounded him until the end of the earth one game, to great results.

I liked Keyser's p13, except I disagree with 308 because I think that it's totally natural for town to want to jump in and correct a misinterpretation if the misinterpretation post was as hard-stanced as Shosh's, because it would be bad for town to make a multi page fuss on a false premise. I think getting everyone on the same set of facts is pro-town.

320 I really hate these imposed/self declared posting style explanations. Even if they're true, that's a lot of smokescreening for very scummy behavior.

338 Suuuuure...

(This is less poem_for_your_sprog and more poem_from_a_scum thus far

I know you love to self-meta and others-meta and just generally metabolize all over mafiascum but that one's a pretty weak WIFOM!)

I was a lot less concerned about your format, and a lot more about your content. I know you can put up great content, so it would be unacceptable for you to not do so

and attribute that to the gimmick

.

346 I'm not sure if I've ever played w/ non-scum Alisae but boy is Alisae is the star of aggressive gimmicking when scum. So entertaining. So suspicious.

[the worst]

Side note, I think that putting the worst under a lot of pressure makes him very sortable, but this is mostly based on the one instance where Mathdino hounded him until the end of the earth one game, to great results.

this will 100% sort my level of interest in the game
and 50% sort my alignment

I'm telling you rn if you wagon me to L-1 nothing will change.

[the worst]

Hmmm I'm holding out til this catchup is done

[Shoshin]

Nauci's probably scum.

[Shoshin]

Alright, I feel a bit better about Skitter after skimming those games.

[Shoshin]

Skitter, can you update me on your reads? Are you still scumreading Math?

[Nauci]

[quote]377[/post] While I agree your alignment becomes more obvious later on, you're a great enough player that I am also constantly paranoid about you as well, short of if you hard play against scum win-con.

385 Someday I will figure out what you think my glaring town tell is >:C

394 Not really seeing this after 178?

421 Disagree w/ Irrelephant. Seems reasonable to agree w/ momrangal's post while questioning why she seems to have blinders on. This plus 423 feel like a disingenuous push.

I'm also confused about what more you want from skitter, who I feel like has been one of the 3 most transparent posters.

426 Unrelated. I just happen to be a HRC fangirl with a hatred for misogynistic Bernie Bros (shoutouts to quitting reddit for a massive QoL improvement). I'm super politically active so I enjoy dicking around w/ this theme.

452 Maybe The Worst

460 Excellent question

I do however, think that tunneling on one player with only a few posts is oddly not scum indicative. It's weird, but I don't know what it means? One player in Irrelephant and I's game tunneled me so hard (and w/o much explanation) the whole game that it just confused everyone and, if anything, made me less scumread. But it was just ??? and not scummy.

470 these reads are... so close to general opinion that I am suspicious.

I think 483 feels very towny unless shosh/invis are scum together.

491 My rule of thumb that I absolutely don't vouch for is that, when heavily pressured, scum!tw becomes exponentially more dodgy/bullshitter, and slightly more serious as town. (based on one game w/ him and skimming a couple of others)

495 Huh. Looking back, I agree w/ irrelephant's read of me. I've only been scum basically twice but I definitely played it pretty differently/fast and loose that last game.

However, I'm basically always pretty casual/memey/contributing observations without evaluations or correcting misinterpretations for the first 10-15 pages of a game because I can't fathom how people get real reads from so little data. When I have the time, town me gets reeeeaall tryhard deep meta divey, but that's not always the case. And I have a habit of saying shit like "ugh I don't have time to post because X" and then pulling an all nighter posting like a 1900 word thesis because sleep is for the dead, which may be what Math thought my town tell was.

Hell at this very moment, I'd busted up my right hand pretty badly and it hurts to type and I almost post about it but nope, I'm on my laptop typing away.

500 Holy crap TIL proxying is a thing

502 Hahahaha yeah every time I read about it I think the same thing

503 This is bizarre and I have no idea what to make of it

511 it sounded to me like Keyser wanted to see them duke it out because people 1v1ing generally creates lots of sortable content, but that's through a biased lens because I am extremely of that philosophy

514 Ouch. Clairvoyance by Keyser at 400. Very sad; love seeing NSG tryhard. Sorry about the burn out; hope to see you again in some other game!

518 Oddly enough, I thought the replace out made you/nsg scum less possible, but this post actually swung it back the other way. Like it's totally plausible to me that she was totally quiet in said scum thread, and you therefore smelled a replace out coming and post about it, but in that context you'd think people would immediately be suspicious that you called it and pre-emptively want to say otherwise. Bit WIFOM, but that's just the thought that crossed my mind.

[Shoshin]

i’m starting to like skitter more

hot take: scum is among bernie, nsg, nauci, momrangal, and the worst

will vote momrangal or nauci if no one is willing to pressure nsg with me.

could see nauci-bernie sanders association both in this game and irl (i mean, hilary and bernie, hey!) possible scum team in this game? lots of fluff content referring to one another, so add that to the association booth.

bernie sanders, you seem to have dodged my question too, which considering you’re very highly active with a lot of fluff content, I can’t see much of a town motive. care to look back?

eh, i want a clear majority on a player whose not given much substantial content (as in townreads and such), so i’m absolutely not passing up this opportunity.

VOTE: Momrangal

Momrangal is now at L-3

, so this slot could only probably fit one more vote for our purposes as of right now, but absolutely no more than that.

Nauci, can you summarize your reads/thoughts on the game?

[Shoshin]

Hmm, I don't know why this thing posted stun's posts there. I was looking at them earlier and was gonna say something about that, but then decided not to. That's annoying.

[the worst]

491 My rule of thumb that I absolutely don't vouch for is that, when heavily pressured, scum!tw becomes exponentially more dodgy/bullshitter, and slightly more serious as town. (based on one game w/ him and skimming a couple of others)

*takes notes*

[skitter30]

And I’m emphasizing that that makes sense. I’ll trust that i come across towny enough otherwise to deserve a townread overall

This feels oddly appealing/conciliatory towards someone you don't townread and were scumreading earlier today.

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nauci, which game were you scum with irrelephant in?

your catchup is kinda appealing to me since you're basically saying a lot of the things i was thinking at those points in the game; i think i'll wait to say more till you're through.

284 :< Stupid sexist internet statistics. This is the most women I've ever seen in one mafia game (...or maybe on any internet forum thread I've participated in...), which is neat.

aside, i've played more than one game where i was *literally* the only female, and i played a few with nsg where it was just the two of us.

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Skitter, can you update me on your reads? Are you still scumreading Math?

my reads tend to stay the same unless i have a reason to change them; he hasn't given me such a reason yet. i'm fine waiting to pressure him till he has more time tho; the last time i voted him for little content as pressure i kinda accidentally stayed on his day1 mislynch, whoops, and i don't really want to repeat that, especially since he was insanely easy to read post-hammer during twilight when he actually had time to give thoughts

i'm somewhere hereabouts now:

{}
{shoshin}
{bernie}
{stun}
{nsg, nauci, invisibility} -- null
{mom}
{gamma}
{irrelephant, keyser, math}
{duckling}
{}

it's hard to organize the mom/gamma/irrelephant tiers so they feel *precisely* right; i kinda want to move keyser and/or math up one but they don't feel right being on the same row as gamma and gamma doesn't feel right on the same row as mom so this feels the *most* right atm but it isn't perfect. like they're all scumreads i just don't know how to tier all five of them properly in order right now in terms of strength of the read

[Nauci]

Oh man skitter v shosh is everything I'd hoped it would be

Agreed on 549.

569 While grossly metagaming, I think this is not totally impertinent, and feels consistent with NSG personality.

578[/post//[post]583 I post this kind of crap when I'm unmotivated scum so it's hard not to read it this way

586 I read it as disagreeing with reasoning. There's a ton of conflating disagreement with a scum-read and defense in this game and I think it's anti-town. If I disagreed with "Nixon is a crook because he has a shitty hairline," it wouldn't be because I wanted to defend Nixon. Maybe I'm biased because I'm the kind of pedantic nut who spent half of a game constantly criticizing and correcting a player I town read (the team mafia tie-breaker game, where people constantly thought I was scum reading Sky_Paladin for how much I criticized his posts for bad attacks on a player I didn't town read).

591 I disagree wrt irrelephant. The bizarre push on Skitter despite being one of the most active posters, and possibly nervous turn off from Keyser, feels bad to me. Side note, IIRC Irrelephant generally wasn't a fan of bussing and would avoid it if possible (even when I suggested bussing me multiple times. He was right about that in the newbie game though).

597 lol this makes me put BS in my town pile regardless of what TW is

612 he literally linked his profile and games?

Okay finally caught up; writing general thoughts post after submitting this

[the worst]

578[/post//[post]583 I post this kind of crap when I'm unmotivated scum so it's hard not to read it this way

Not very nice to call brass' opening post unmotivated and crap!

[Nauci]

Damnit how did I swap a ] with a /

[Nauci]

Here have a listicle

• Nauci
  • I don't like self meta any more than y'all do but I want to give a few bullet points:
    
  • I generally gives 0 fucks about how I'm perceived in the game. If I am challenged on a specific thing or if someone has misinterpreted something I said, I'll address that. Otherwise, I just endeavor to town harder.
    
  • I don't give any reads or alignments sorts until I actually have them and IDGAF how much pressure someone likes to apply.
    
  • I'm extremely capable of separating someone's read of me with my evaluation of the circumstances of how they read me as if it was any other player and their content.
    
  • I don't sheep. And I generally don't play by wagon-meta until it's close to hanging time (if at all). Don't call my votes vanity >:C
    
  • I will get exhaustibly pedantic to correct a misconception so try not to make any or I will be here arguing w/ you on it for 9 pages.
    
  • Mentioned Games:
    • Newbie 1863 Scumming with Scumrelephant11
      
    • Open 719 Town with TownDino and Scum Worst (and Brassherald)
      
    • Team Mafia Tiebreaker, where I hit record levels of pedantry
      
    • Newbie 1834 Scum but kind of a fluke game
• stungun0404
  • Probably my strongest TR. I like most of Stun's posting even when I didn't agree w/ them. Hope this isn't just from being biased for effort.
• skitter30
  • Generally good feelings. Biased because we seem to have very similar perspectives/feelings at a whole lot of times in the game, but I think that I can reasonably give town points for that.
    
  • Lots of active discussion points and willingness to explain thought processes and feelings that seems difficult to fake.
• Bernie Sanders
  • Generally good feels. Pretty solid posting.
    
  • I don't know if it's wise but I put TW's vouch in the list of good things; I just feel that scum TW would still try to pocket here.
• Keyser Soze
  • Not seeing what some posters' complaints about writing style and whatnot are about. See generally pro-town good posting from here.
• Mathdino
  • I have a slightly town lean on Math atm. Was being overly difficult to read earlier, but has made an effort to be less absurdist just to rhyme. I'm willing to give Math room to get more involved, because tossing out a bunch of town reads is pretty town!math
• Shoshin
  • This is why I split my "null" into 2 groups: null because I don't know what to feel vs null because i feel lots of things in lots of directions. Shoshin is a bit polarizing in posting style and hard for me to figure out. I want to town lean but maybe I'm compensating for my bias too much. Feeeeeels like she's just gotten into a lot of TvTs though, so I guess kinda town lean?
• Gamma Emerald
  • Null. Super null. Small contributions but no brave or new insights. Some agreements, fluff 253 320, and shallow deep-thoughts (318 319)
• Momrangal
  • I don't really know how to feel about this one. Not pro-town, but not necessarily scummy just because not much effort (lots of basically empty posts). "Not-great" pile vs "bad vibes" pile.
• Irrelephant11
  • I'd like to TR Irrelephant, but thus far I am not seeing the strong performance I expected. Even while scum, Irrelephant put up a good scum hunting game in 1863. More defensive posts and less active hunting, IMO.
    
  • As previously mentioned, Irrelephant avoided attacking me even when I was putting up a poor performance. Feels too favorable to lurkers/momrangal without great justification, while keeping up cases on some of the most active/vocal/potentially great scumhunting players in the game (BS, Keyser, Skitter) that don't feel forced instead of robust, and potentially pocketing Shosh (which was rather successful in our game on a few people)
    
  • Acknowledging the "bad" vote on Skitter doesn't really address it at all? Admitting it's bad just means that we're all in agreement it was bizarre.
    
  • Excited for this 516 promise
    
  • I don't want to scumread Irrelephant because it'd be awesome if we were town together, and I tried to not read with too much bias from my obvious paranoia of his brilliant scum play, but I came away from the catch up with less good feelings than I had hoped. I could see plausible associations w/ Mom or Shosh or TW (or even Math), while NOT w/ Bernie/Skitter/me/Keyser.
• northsidegal
  *
  • Bad vibes about the slot but the thread has already beaten this horse to death so I'll wait for a replacement.
• Invisibility
  • Apathy isn't cool and edgy, yo.
    
  • Vvv bad vibes. Such flippancy. Such attitude. Not going to let this one skirt under the radar. Naughty list!
• GeminiTwin12/the worst
  • TW your bullshitting is definitely indicative of apathy, but your apathy is also indicative of scumminess! I had hoped for better but haven't seen the kinds of posts that my skims of Town Worst games had. However, I do concede that pressure won't necessarily make his posting any better if he's town.

I hope that was listacular enough to give y'all some listicular torsion contusions