Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Nauci]

491 My rule of thumb that I absolutely don't vouch for is that, when heavily pressured, scum!tw becomes exponentially more dodgy/bullshitter, and slightly more serious as town. (based on one game w/ him and skimming a couple of others)

*takes notes*

I post that because I this is like the placebo effect; being aware of it doesn't necessary change it.

I'm telling you rn if you wagon me to L-1 nothing will change.

VOTE: The Worst

I honestly couldn't decide where to throw my vote but then I read this

hey now you don't tell me what to do!

Also this only brings you to -2

[Keyser Söze]

I never classified you as townie with bad reads, and my read has since degraded from 'minor townlean' to 'idk how to sort this guy right now because I see a lot of concerning things even though I liked his very early game'; this morning we even had a convo about me not sure how to sort you, and I haven't expressed a change in my read of you since then. idk why you're asking me if I 'finally scumread you', or like why you're framing my read of you as 'scum who wants to mislynch me' given that I never said anything of the sort.

I also haven't said recently that I like your posts.

Honestly I dont know where you're getting most of this post from because very little of it reflects my stance on you.

Can you answer the 'is English ur first language' question please?

(Surely you must think I’m scum though trying to pro-actively misslynch you or a townie with bad reasons to scumread you.. because you have refuted/argued every single point, and also noted I’ve grossly misrepresented you... and said my tone is fake..?) looks like you’re not being lynched D1 so I’ll have to re-look at my read of you D2

Yes, English is my first language.

[Keyser Söze]

if you want anything strikingly exciting from me you'll probably have to wait for later this week / weekend, understand the wagon given gamestate tho

You might want to bring this forward bro.

[the worst]

not gonna happen. what's your intention in applying unnecessary pressure when I literally don't have the capacity to rock your world rn?

[Keyser Söze]

Town motivation.

[the worst]

same bruh

[Keyser Söze]

I sense you’ll be put to L-1 soon...

Do you want to be in defence mode or scum hunting mode?

[brassherald]

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Votecount 1.8

the worst(4)

~ Invisibility(28), skitter30(63), Bernie Sanders(81), Nauci(26)

Nauci(3)

~ Mathdino(54), Shoshin(95), Irrelephant11(44)

skitter30(2)

~ Keyser Söze(91), Momrangal(27)

Momrangal(2)

~ northsidegal(5), the worst(80)


Not Voting (2): stungun0404(32), Gamma Emerald(34)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-02 17:10:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Searching for a replacement for northsidegal.

[the worst]

I'm in "everyone voting me but Bernie could easily be scum and I don't currently know where to go next" mode. I also don't have time to sort thru them or take the time to analyse Mom's last few posts, but my gut is telling me Nauci is not town here.

So... chill.

[Shoshin]

I'd like to TR Irrelephant, but thus far I am not seeing the strong performance I expected. Even while scum, Irrelephant put up a good scum hunting game in 1863. More defensive posts and less active hunting, IMO.

This sounds like a reason to townread Irrelephant, so I don't really get the scumread here.

[Shoshin]

I find it hard to believe that Nauci "wants to townread" Irrelephant yet doesn't. She observes differences between his play here and his play as scum, she says his play as scum is strong and his play here weak, but she scumread him for that? He's been pretty careless this game and a lot less calculated with his posting than he was as scum, so why would someone who wants to townread him instead scumread him? I get the feeling that Nauci's faking the scumread and she keeps saying that she wants to townread (i.e. the opposite of what she's actually doing) to hide her actual intent (i.e. faking a scumread).

[Keyser Söze]

Who is Bernie Sanders?
What is Bernie Sanders?
Why is Bernie Sanders?

ISO re-read. Part 1.

gemini feels like really bland boring scum

It's a lead, will Bernie Sanders follow it up?

The shame is it's too soon for the best wagon we could actually do

This is one of those early

all-knowing

posts I found suspicious. Perhaps too much awareness for page 6?

VOTE: invisibility

dis that wishy washy shit clear up misunderstandings be all interested but no bite

Not sure on the meaning of this vote. What scum-alignment behaviour was invisibility guilty of?

Bernie Sanders' tone is unique. Very languid while still adding enough content to be not classified as active lurking.

VOTE: Mathdino

This may be absolutely crazy but mathdino here isn't at all like what I thought I'd see
now, my experience reading mathdino has been generally to copy his meta reads on other people or see how he'd townlead rather than look at his own play for tells and I think the only scumgame I remember was in one of the neighbour themed games (with lovebird and some others?)
but I still feel like he doesn't have any fire in him here so to speak, if that makes any sense
Granted it's also possible it may just be too early and I was going to just give benefit-of-doubt/space but I'm actually not finding most other leads that promising here
it's also possible the gimmick is hiding or preventing mathdino and throwing things off, but even in that case I'd still be happy to have it end anyways

Hmmm... don't upset the apple-cart, but vote the gimmick-clown... stated earlier "I'm more interested in {invis, TW, skitter, NSG, nauci and momr}", I would have expected a vote in that general pack. Has he done anything with his Mathdino-suspicion since this vote...?

Gamma emerald you've had to like osmosis absorb at least something of what's going on by now with how much you're reading

File this under potential partner-associations... i.e poking your teammate. (Very tin-foil hat I know, sorry. So you can ignore this observation.)

I get the feeling Bernie Sanders is holding back from being fully explicit and open with his reads/opinions. Why has he brought a feather to a knife fight?

Bernie Sanders has name-dropped a lot of names, but not followed through on them with interrogation/pressure.


Part 2 next.

[Keyser Söze]

Bernie Sanders re-read part 2

possibly this may imply 1 sided distancing

Already theorizing mass-player distancing theory within the VC...

Bernie, why do you think Nauci is town?

Actually I second guessed that though I could say why initially

it might just be approaching time to compromise to get something going but I do feel like there's potentially something to math here, and at very least warrants a stance out from most at minimum

Why can't Bernie Sanders answer this question about Nauci?

Let's play a group game

Divide game by as such
A{Mathdino Irrelephant11 skitter30 Shoshin Bernie Sanders the worst stungun0404 Keyser Soze}
B{Nauci Momrangal Invisibility northsidegal Gamma Emerald}
arbitrary but mostly by content, tbh

you have to shoot 1 in each group right now, Who?
In A I'd probably shoot TW despite what I've said on math as there is tbf an element of burden of proficiency wrt math/possible downisde (though he'd be my second); otoh this being mostly from gemini on the TW slot and tw cant really ever answer to anything there beyond getting to present himself when all up to speed
In B it's tricky given it's mostly good names but I'd still edge it out to invisibility given there's still enough sample size there IMO and he does just kinda feel fake with his game interest

Is town-Bernie Sanders famous for making himself busy with these theory-scenarios? I don't know what the aim is here?

I'd normally assume still skitter but I'd have some trouble following that now

I couldn't tell why you would be town/not scum reading skitter. There are many missing holes in your ISO to put together the groups of reads and players you are presenting.

I feel Bernie should be voting Irrelephant over Mathdino here (#592) and here (#625).

Maybe just me but TW comes off cagey in exchange w/ keysor page 18 19
as in acting more casual or relaxed than I feel like he really is if that makes any sense?

what's your conclusion in regard TW?

Votes TW, which I have no problem with... and there is undeniably enough late supporting suspicions to back up this vote.

It this a bus, or is it opportunism? Funnily enough, this late push on TW followed TW's famous

"Bernie Sanders remains probably my strongest townread

" line Makes me want to re-look at TW's read of you too.



@Bernie Sanders - I think you're gonna have to sit me down and talk through the player list with me. I am convinced you've been holding back strategically (scum motivation). Soft-footing around. You're still a

scum lean

.

[Keyser Söze]

Bernie could easily be scum

You what?

[Invisibility]

welp no time like the present

[Keyser Söze]

the worst enters the game and begins his obsession with telling us Bernie Sander's is town:

"are you town bernie?"

[Who don’t you want lynched today?]

"Bernie"

"Bernie Sanders struck me as very towny"

"Are people scumreading Bernie here?"

"I strongly suspect Mr. Sanders is town"

"Bernie Sanders remains probably my strongest townread"

Reeks of over-compensating. Stinks of over-kill. it's making me theorize some interesting associations...

[Keyser Söze]

welp no time like the present

Catch-up or replace out bro xxx

[brassherald]

welp no time like the pres

id

ent

Mod has to step in to fix this? Smh.

[Invisibility]

welp no time like the present

Catch-up or replace out bro xxx

that post was me saying that i was catching up

[Keyser Söze]

Ah cool.

As long as your next post isn’t “welp, too tired, off to bed”

[Irrelephant11]

welp no time like the pres

id

ent

Mod has to step in to fix this? Smh.

Benny Frank is disappointed

[Keyser Söze]

"i’m still getting settled into this game, sorry folks"
" you should at least wait one full day before pushing a case against me for contrast like that!"

Smells like PoE. I'm a sucker for PoE so less of that please.

That should have been AtE not PoE

[Irrelephant11]

If anyone wants reactions from me regarding any specific Nauci points, just ask. I had the same thought as Shoshin, overall - Nauci knows I'm better than this as scum (not to mention the help I'd be getting from most possible scummates on a playerlist that averages pretty talkative & experienced). I'm messy, unfocused, and acting overconfident, and it's because I'm still figuring out how to play as town.

Your meta-tell must be strong for Nauci. Impressive if you caught scum in a few posts.

reminding myself to respond to this later

My response here is that I wanted pressure on Nauci to determine her alignment, but as someone mentioned already it doesn't work if you present it as pressure. I actually *didn't* have a good feel before these long posts. Her scumread of me feels fake, though. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, but that would require something like "well maybe if she had thought it through more" which, clearly, I was actually #1 on her mind (I'm flattered btw). Not townreading Nauci rn.

More thoughts on all players coming soon

[Keyser Söze]

My personal meta analysis is terrible so all this is fascinating.

[Invisibility]

THE GRAND "i took a nap" CATCHUP
this is through page 28
Pg 12
i like stun
also i can get behind that shosh townread

Pg 13
i can see gamma's response in 320
i have a feeling that Keyzer and skitter might both be town

Pg 14
i'm not going to take in the mathdino thing about him not wanting to use the gimmick the first time as scum because that's just wifom and not going to help us

the unfortunate thing is even if true the implications of wanting to establish a meta of rhyming like this every game are profoundly horrifying

i dont like this post and i couldnt tell you why

also could somebody explain the thing with gemini and postcount?

Pg 15
nothing to say

Pg 16
feeling a little better about Bernie now

Pg 17
I have not played with mom @irrelephant

and tbh i guess i can see mom's reason for suspicion but like it still isn't a good read, especially after now because mom should have more thoughts than just me seeming tryhardy

i want to scumread mom but it feels wrong to scumread mom right now

okay i think i'll post this part right now just in case something happens and this all disappears
stay tuned for part 2, kiddlydinks!