SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[MariaR]

Not a normal cop but I didn't believe fire not because of the cop itself but because of the result.

[Vaxkiller]

Town

Taly
Dunnstral
Fire Assassin
Vaxkiller
Espeonage (I'm worried about missing something here but the reality is that he's probably town)

[Gap]

TehBrawlGuy
Punreader
the worst

[Gap]

Chara
Screenplay

[Gap]

Shoshin
Nahdia
MariaR
PenguinPower

Scum

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That's a rough idea of my reads right now I think.

There are probably things about it that are not quite right, but I don't really see much reason to townread the people in the last group at this point.

SO you don't buy MariaR's claim?

[Vaxkiller]

I feel like deas is town.

MariaR, why did you target me? Wouldn't you rather know the alignment on a better player than myself?

[Vaxkiller]

Reminder to self, I have some thoughts related to PP that I want to talk about later.

[MariaR]

You're hard to read and I wanted to pick someone I didn't see dying. Pretty simple when I cop someone I go for lurkers hard to read people and not good nk choices

[MariaR]

I wanted to cop shoshin at first but they might've died

[Taly]

@Vax

There's other things I both like, and I'm not sure of when it comes to

TBG

, but with the gamestate right now,

TBG

is not someone I'm seeing as suspect.

Also, didn't TBG say that he put me a low number solely because he didn't think I'd need numbers? I see this coming from town more often?

Why do you see this as coming from town? I'm not sure I understand the mindset behind that.

I highly doubt Taly is scum, TBG.

Why are you telling me this? I don't scumread Taly. I weakly townread Taly.

Um...votes on D1 meant shit (as I am still here!). 1 vote isn't a wagon regardless of those who "intend" to vote (since intending to vote means shit, except when bolded and they are at L-1 <- gotta be true to my newbies)

Try again.

Shoshin is probs town.

From your rankings list, you think me and Taly are scum together. I'd like to hear more about that, especially the D1 motivation.

No. Go read the not shitty sheets version, which should spell it out more clearly. The plaintext garbage is just to keep a permanent log so I can't cheat by editing the sheet.

I gave Taly a low score because I wanted to maximize the chances that you/espe/nico died, which meant I had to give my other bad scores to people at low risk of dying. Taly was pretty universally townread, so I figured he would be a safe place to park it.

Yes, I can see

TBG

from a scum-perspective here by wanting to solidify a kill a towny.

HOWEVER.

((omg, im actually making a post saying

TBG

could be towny here))

TBG

knew that I was probably very safe given the playerlist's view of me in D1, and even now.

There wasn't a lot of clarity for townies EoD1 for reads. We basically ended the day early FOR clarity via flips. My low scores on

Dunn/Vax/Espe/Fire

were both by PoE, and the uncertainty generated around their claim and individual play.

I didn't rank solely based on reads because I needed to think about what helped MY perception of the game.

TBG

did exactly this, too.

He was aware of people who were likely safe, and low scored them in order to gain his OWN clarity. In doing this, he kept people who he believed were more likely town to be safe, while shooting for his more confident reads that could be scum.

So yeah, my reasoning here could be a bit convoluted. But

TBG's

honesty with his thoughts in the game right now make me think he's coming from a towny mindset that's oriented in gamesolving.

I'm not sold on

TBG

being town, but that's just my thinking here.

Plus if

TBG

were scum, it would just seem so easy for his buddies to go on the

"kill-

PP

-via-ranking"

mentality.

And the fact that

PP and Espe

are still alive kind of make me think he was alone with this train of thought. Thus, more likely town.

Plus, I don't see a strong scum-motive to lynch

PP

assuming that he's low on the playerlist, based off not-100%-but-close ratings 1314

[Taly]

In hindsight, I'm a little worried about

TW

, how much he's mirrored me in the past few pages, but I still have multiple valid reasons to believe he's town, and PoE is the only way I'm getting any where with my reads atm.

I'm not willing to lynch cop claims, not on D2.

And even then, while I don't like

Fire's

approach to the game in some aspects, I don't see how scum can be as bullheaded as he is in some instances.

I also think

Maria

-town is still very possible, and discrediting any investigative claim atm sounds anti-town at best.

PoE'd to Town

Taly
Chara
MariaR
Vaxkiller
the worst
Dunnstral
Espeonage
TehBrawlGuy
Punreader
Fire Assassin

{DeasVail,

Screenplay

, Shoshin, PenguinPower, Nahdia}

Screen's

rep hasn't appeared yet, so strike that for now.

PP

is my most volatile read at the moment.

Going to ISO people in depth soon, and

DV

is the first on that list.

I had a town-case on

Shoshin

earlier, but I feel like they've more or less "gently pushed" content from people rather than actually making their own or assessing what's present. I could vote there.

I really, really need to hear the

Nahdia

-scum case, I've stated they are town to me... and there's several people that seem confident that I'm wrong here.

[Dunnstral]

I feel comfortable with that pool, except DeasVail has felt towny to me today as well

[PenguinPower]

PP is my most volatile read at the moment.

Two things.

1.) How are you POE'ing anything without a scumflip?

2.) Wtf haven't you voted me yet?

[Dunnstral]

1.) How are you POE'ing anything without a scumflip?

Probably from all the claimed investigative results?

[PenguinPower]

I had a town-case on Shoshin earlier, but I feel like they've more or less "gently pushed" content from people rather than actually making their own or assessing what's present. I could vote there.

I'll eat a sock if Shoshin is town here. They are operating against multiple games of town meta.

[Dunnstral]

I had a town-case on Shoshin earlier, but I feel like they've more or less "gently pushed" content from people rather than actually making their own or assessing what's present. I could vote there.

I'll eat a sock if Shoshin is town here. They are operating against multiple games of town meta.

How so? You could probably get votes there if you made a case

[MariaR]

VOTE: Nahdia

[PenguinPower]

Well...it's not LyLo so not going to make a case. But, in the few games in their ego their overall effort in figuring out the game and pushing their scum reads is night and day different. They are the epitome of try hard as town.

[Chara]

you only make cases in LyLo?

Maria, i don't like the Nahdia vote at the moment, you'll have to convince me. :>
(or force it, but you wouldn't do that to me.)

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Nahdia

[MariaR]

you only make cases in LyLo?

Maria, i don't like the Nahdia vote at the moment, you'll have to convince me. :>
(or force it, but you wouldn't do that to me.)

I wouldn't? ....Gr you know me too well
Ok I will later

[Taly]

PP is my most volatile read at the moment.

Two things.

1.) How are you POE'ing anything without a scumflip?

2.) Wtf haven't you voted me yet?

1)

I don't need a scumflip to PoE. There's 6+ claims in the thread, at least 4 wagons this dayphase - almost all I've been on, and several result claims, most of which are verifiable. This isn't even mentioning how much content I've near-forced people to spew in the thread, alongside the rankings potentially giving info. down the road.

Coupled with me having reversals in several of my reads in this game; documenting and narrowing down the playerlist in terms of scum/lynch material is the only viable and optimal approach for me to play rn.

Plus, if I'm wrong with anything, it'll be easier to figure out where I'm wrong when I do things this way.

2)

Because I don't want to fall into tunneling, and you've posted things that make me - even just a little - second-guess my read. Plus, there's other players that have skid by in the game.

Also, I don't understand your goal of dying this game... Why do you expect my vote?

VOTE: Nahdia

Are you going to work with me? :/

[MariaR]

Hm?

[Taly]

I really, really need to hear the Nahdia-scum case, I've stated they are town to me... and there's several people that seem confident that I'm wrong here.

[PenguinPower]

Spoiler: Long post

quote="In post 1418, Taly"]

PP is my most volatile read at the moment.

Two things.

1.) How are you POE'ing anything without a scumflip?

2.) Wtf haven't you voted me yet?

1)

I don't need a scumflip to PoE. There's 6+ claims in the thread, at least 4 wagons this dayphase - almost all I've been on, and several result claims, most of which are verifiable. This isn't even mentioning how much content I've near-forced people to spew in the thread, alongside the rankings potentially giving info. down the road.

Coupled with me having reversals in several of my reads in this game; documenting and narrowing down the playerlist in terms of scum/lynch material is the only viable and optimal approach for me to play rn.

Plus, if I'm wrong with anything, it'll be easier to figure out where I'm wrong when I do things this way.

2)

Because I don't want to fall into tunneling, and you've posted things that make me - even just a little - second-guess my read. Plus, there's other players that have skid by in the game.

Also, I don't understand your goal of dying this game... Why do you expect my vote?

VOTE: Nahdia

Are you going to work with me? :/[/quote]

1.) I think we fundamentally differ here, so I'll leave it alone.

2.) I'm not trying to die. I'm saying you are spending so much time casting shade at me, but not voting me, that I don't get it. Even if you are are slightly waffling, you obviously think I am best bet for scum so far so I don't understand why you aren't placing a vote. This entire game has been relatively low in actual wagons and votes and it's a bit annoying.

[Dunnstral]

This entire game has been relatively low in actual wagons and votes and it's a bit annoying.

It's almost like we couldn't vote day 1 or something

[PenguinPower]

This entire game has been relatively low in actual wagons and votes and it's a bit annoying.

It's almost like we couldn't vote day 1 or something

I already expressed my frustration with that. I'm talking about D2.

Keep up the snark.

[PenguinPower]

Maybe I should say it like:

It's almost like I said that already and am talking about the current day or something...

Did that help with your comprehension?