NY 213 - Game Over!

[Performer]

Dude why would scumperf get hard defended at this point? Why would I move my vote from osuka instead of leaving it there , and just coast?

Come on dude.

The fishiest votes are creat and vax right now. Only scumreading every single voter on a wagon , is poor play.
Town can be wrong, and I just think you're misguided town.

What's infuriating is that we can't band together to lynch scum.

[Dunnstral]

Ausuka and Gamma (and maybe somebody else idr)are scum reading Flavour of meta but nobody voted? what's up with that?

It's 13 to lynch so maybe they don't feel like being votes 1 and 2 when other people are reaching vote 10 or something

[Dunnstral]

Day 1 VC #25

Performer (3) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Creature (898), Kublai Khan (957)
Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (1) - Vaxkiller (678)
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Ausuka (2) - Scioness Sajj (406), JarJarDrinks (842)
Lalendra (0) -
Davesaz (0) -
JarJarDrinks (2) - Myloninja13 (326), Andriod18 (855)

Osuka (6) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Pine (176), Almost50 (390), TheRampage (681), Wavemode (867)

Andriod18 (0) -
Texcat (1) - ArcAngel9 (604)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (602), Gamma Emerald (710)

Wavemode (5) - Ausuka (998), Hopkirk (999), Davesaz (1014), Osuka (1047), Performer (1051)

TheRampage (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (955)
Not Voting (2) - Flavor Leaf, Lalendra (559)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on June 30, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.
Myloninja13 V/LA until Friday, June 29 (?).
Prodded TheRampage. They have (expired on 2018-06-27 17:38:49) to respond in-thread.

As a general reminder, if you are regularly V/LA on the weekends, you must either set V/LA tags each weekend or post in-thread that you'll be V/LA over the weekend

each weekend

so that both I and other players can keep track of it easily.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) --> Ausuka (317) --> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) --> Performer (898)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725) --> Performer (957)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710)
Ausuka: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz: Wavemode (1014)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) --> Ausuka (842)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771) --> Wavemode (1047)
Texcat: Osuka (79)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867)
TheRampage: Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj: Ausuka (406)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

Why is this wavemode wagon a thing?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Dude why would scumperf get hard defended at this point?

WHO?? Who is "hard defending" you? That's what a fucking counterwagon IS.

Why would I move my vote from osuka instead of leaving it there , and just coast?

MAAAAAAAAYBEEEEEE because I called you out on your scummy bullshit vote on osuka??

It's clear from this question that you were hoping that's what you could do without being noticed.

Lucky for town I'm a bit better of a scum hunter than you bargained for.

Lucky for you and your team, most people apparently have their heads up their butts

p-edit: OMFG DUNN PLEASE.

[Dunnstral]

There can be 2 scum neighbors or 3 town neighbors, lynching him because he is a neighbor is bad and relies on bad mod meta which probably wasn't used here

[Dunnstral]

I noticed people pushing wavemode are saying to look at osuka if wavemode flips town which is kind of skeevy

[Scioness Sajj]

Ausuka and Gamma (and maybe somebody else idr)are scum reading Flavour of meta but nobody voted? what's up with that?

It's 13 to lynch so maybe they don't feel like being votes 1 and 2 when other people are reaching vote 10 or something

I'd imagine that people feel stronger about their meta based reads, though. And Ausuka was on pretty fresh Rampage wagon (two votes) that she changed to wavemode later. And Gamma was on Vax who also had two votes.

[JarJarDrinks]

ETL, how can I be both perfromers buddy and a townread?

Do you not townread me anymore? What changed you mind?

I never said you were his buddy...?

Am I misinterpreting this ?

Spoiler:

Gonna catch up today but first I wanna throw this out there:

Lurker Lynch?

I know people are often against it around these parts but this game seems pretty ripe for it.


I'll see how I feel about it after my catchup

Performer's buddies are trying to avoid his lynch. Thus, wave.

Yes but only because I misinterpreted yours. I thought you were pointing out that wave was a lurker lynch. Which he is.

And it's garbage.

Ah Ok that makes sense. I acknowledge wave is mostly a lurker lynch and that's fine with me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like maybe Wave would be super scummy too if he actually posted. Performer has literally TEN TIMES the number of posts Wave does.

Lynching the top poster while allowing lurksacks to sit around and do jack shit is how you create a shitty atmosphere that scum can thrive in.

Like why would scum post knowing that posting gets you hanged?

[Dunnstral]

Wavemode wagon is gross if you look at what actually happened

VOTE: wavemode

I'm neighbours with Performer and wavemode. I'm confident wave is scum and once we lynch him and he flips red me and performer can function as masons.

Why didn't you push Wave when you were townreading Performer?

neighbourhoods are NAI. I'm not scumreading wave because I'm in a hood with him and a townread, I scumread him based on play.

Let me make this big and bold. Clearly based on Ausuka's reads and he just happens to be in a neighborhood (which was outted in a bad way)

VOTE: Wavemode

@Vax: you know Wave is hard lurking right? And has a good wagon? And is in the neighbourhood that statistically contains scum?

okay, now it turned into a neighborhood thing for Hopkirk when it wasn't

Heh, iso'd wave and yeah that's likely to be scum.
VOTE: Wavemode

okay, never mentions Wavemode after this, no proof he actually iso'd anybody, no opinion presented

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as i see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

Listed as voting Wavemode but is actually on performer

Regardless, this is bad and again alludes towards neighborhood mechanics that don't exist

The events that led up to this point tell me there are some hypotheticals:
-if wave flips red as mafia neighbor, then boom, ausuka & I are virtually cleared as town. Happy birthday to us , basically
-now that I think of it more, if wave flips red, what would that mean for osuka’s alignment? However…if wave somehow flips green, then I think osuka should be looked into

VOTE: wavemode
This doesn't change my sr list either, I am willing to lynch any of my scumreads I stated.

More bad neighborhood spec when the original fos wasn't even based on that

[Dunnstral]

Some of those posts are setting up to lynch within the neighborhood again if wavemode flips town

[Dunnstral]

Osuka and Performer look like they're scum buddies distancing from each other in these quotes too

[Hopkirk]

I can buy town Performer based on the effort around the reads lists kind of time.

*pulls my hair out*
DUDE. NO.

EFFORT DOES NOT EQUAL ALIGNMENT.....

The counterwagon you're talking about started with another neighbour member, which doesn't seem bad. Where do you dislike the wagon formation?

Look at the timing. Performer wagon started getting attention, and then suddenly wave is big news..?? gtfoh...

You're just going to take it at face value?

Ok, where's scum on the (early) counterwagon? That's where my problem is.

@Dunn: The post you quoted is in response to Vax saying he'd like a lurker lynch, and me pointing out Wave is a lurker + some other points hat should be objective.
The neighbourhood thing clearly isn't why I voted wave (since it wasn't known), but it certainly widened and deepened it.

To anyone saying neighbourhood isn't very very likely to contain scum- can you show me why not using site meta? Unless someone does, I'm assuming there's an 80-90% chance it does...

[Hopkirk]

@Dunn/ETL: Can you sell me on Performer? I could see it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ausuka and Gamma (and maybe somebody else idr)are scum reading Flavour of meta but nobody voted? what's up with that?

It's not strong enough for me to vote

[EspeciallyTheLies]

there was NO counterwagon until performer started getting votes. that's my point.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: wavemode
I am willing to do this. Wave hasn't done anything to make me believe they are town. If we are lynching someone who hasn't done anything, my preference would be for ArcAngel9, but I understand that the neighborhood wants to clean itself up.

Almost missed this gem which again refers to the neighborhood mechanics

[Kublai Khan]

Wait, you do have day chat. How did that go?

Hey, Wavemode, Performer, Ausuka.. Can you guys summarize the Day Chat?

[Dunnstral]

Wait, you do have day chat. How did that go?

Hey, Wavemode, Performer, Ausuka.. Can you guys summarize the Day Chat?

Let me take a crack at it

Wavemode: hi guys

Ausuka: Hi

Performer: Hi

Wavemode: Why did you out the neighborhood

[Dunnstral]

To anyone saying neighbourhood isn't very very likely to contain scum- can you show me why not using site meta? Unless someone does, I'm assuming there's an 80-90% chance it does...

Can you show me why Osuka isn't scum, using site meta?

If not, get your vote on him

[Hopkirk]

there was NO counterwagon until performer started getting votes. that's my point.

No counterwagon to Osuka?
Ok, so where's the scum on the counterwagon to Performer?

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #26

Performer (6) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Creature (898), Kublai Khan (957), Osuka (1047), Wavemode (1108), Vaxkiller (1116)

Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (0) -
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Ausuka (1) - Scioness Sajj (406)
Lalendra (0) -
Davesaz (0) -
JarJarDrinks (2) - Myloninja13 (326), Andriod18 (855)
Osuka (4) - Dunnstral (77), Pine (176), Almost50 (390), TheRampage (681)
Andriod18 (0) -
Texcat (1) - ArcAngel9 (604)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (1) - Golden Robster (602)

Wavemode (7) - Ausuka (998), Hopkirk (999), Davesaz (1014), Performer (1051), Texcat (1080), Gamma Emerald (1107), JarJarDrinks (1112)

TheRampage (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (955)
Not Voting (2) - Flavor Leaf, Lalendra (559)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on June 30, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.
Myloninja13 V/LA until Friday, June 29.
Andriod18 V/LA until Saturday, June 30.

As a general reminder, if you are regularly V/LA on the weekends, you must either set V/LA tags each weekend or post in-thread that you'll be V/LA over the weekend

each weekend

so that both I and other players can keep track of it easily.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) --> Ausuka (317) --> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) --> Performer (898)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725) --> Performer (957)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107)
Ausuka: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz: Wavemode (1014)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) --> Ausuka (842) --> Wavemode (1112)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771) --> Performer (1047)
Texcat: Osuka (79) --> Wavemode (1080)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) --> Performer (1116)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867) --> Performer (1108)
TheRampage: Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj: Ausuka (406)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

[Dunnstral]

Sita meta isn't actually relevant here

You could show me 40 games with 3 person neighborhoods in a row and it wouldn't make this game have a higher than random chance of a scum neighbor - this especially feels like a mod who would fully randomize neighbors

meanwhile actual site meta can tell us that people hopping on to counterwagons to scum without understanding the initial reasoning are above random chance to be scum

[Dunnstral]

there was NO counterwagon until performer started getting votes. that's my point.

No counterwagon to Osuka?
Ok, so where's the scum on the counterwagon to Performer?

on the wavemode wagon

[Ircher]

Prodding Almost50 (2d 1h). They have (expired on 2018-06-28 15:17:27) to respond in-thread.