NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Gustavo]

clearly you didn't read 306 because if you did you know that post is 100% false. Why do you keep lying about me when I can prove you wrong every single time?

[Inferno390]

How is that post false? All I did was look in your ISO and find it.

Or are you implying that I made that qoute up completely to make you look bad? Because if that’s the case, anyone can go to the post and see that what I’m saying is clearly true.

[davesaz]

Someone posts an opinion about what they think you were thinking. They can be wrong, but it cannot be a lie.

[Inferno390]

I also don’t know what you intend to prove I’m lying about. You say that your read on Profii has nothing to do with the no lynch stuff. This post I pulled from your ISO shows you clearly stating something else. There’s nothing to prove I’m lying about here. All I’m doing is comparing two statements.

[Flubbernugget]

I checked Gus, and they seem to often get into arguments.
What pinged me though, was the one who outright called them toxic etc.
It felt like intentional provocation with the aim of getting people to dislike them..
Not sure why but that is how I feel.

This is a big monkey wrench in me attempting to solve the game.

An easy way to look town is to poke at those who are easily provoked. Yet two players that are easily provoked are poking at each other.

I think it's safe to call that town for now but blahhhhhhhhhh

[Pine]

Inferno390 has requested replacement.

I'm getting a little tired of saying this so early, but find a way to get along with one another or find another game. This was intended to be a low-pressure friendly game, and I'm not afraid of enforcing that rule.

[Gustavo]

How is that post false? All I did was look in your ISO and find it.

Or are you implying that I made that qoute up completely to make you look bad? Because if that’s the case, anyone can go to the post and see that what I’m saying is clearly true.

My scum read on profli cane before the whole no lynching thing. This is covered if you read post 306. I also mentioned the self vote stuff. There is no contradiction, there is a flow of developing a read strong enough to vote somebody and then they do more things to strengthen my read.

So like I said you are at best intentionally misrepping me. At worst flat out lying.

You could have saved yourself from some embarrassment if you read 306.

Also it just dawned on me. Earlier you said I was guilty of assumption by narrative. Only town can be guilty of that. Scum can’t make assumptions about who scum are.

[Flubbernugget]

Brassherald's interactions with Gustavo seem the most genuine in determining their alignment compared to others.

I have a lot of town reads at the moment, I think. I need to get a list of those together and figure out where to start looking from that point onward.

[Gustavo]

Inferno390 has requested replacement.

I'm getting a little tired of saying this so early, but find a way to get along with one another or find another game. This was intended to be a low-pressure friendly game, and I'm not afraid of enforcing that rule.

I also don’t know what you intend to prove I’m lying about. You say that your read on Profii has nothing to do with the no lynch stuff. This post I pulled from your ISO shows you clearly stating something else. There’s nothing to prove I’m lying about here. All I’m doing is comparing two statements.

More misrepping. I never said my scum read had nothing to do with that. I clearly said that was icing on the cake. My scum read was based on my gut feel about his early posts. They felt fake. It’s kind of hard to put into words.

Stop trying to twist my words. Reading post 306 could have saved you from making this post.

[Gustavo]

Brassherald's interactions with Gustavo seem the most genuine in determining their alignment compared to others.

I have a lot of town reads at the moment, I think. I need to get a list of those together and figure out where to start looking from that point onward.

How? Brass basically tried to set me up as the bad guy when inferno is the bad guy. I asked for examples and he provided like 2 and both of them were bad examples.

[Gustavo]

Inferno390 has requested replacement.

I'm getting a little tired of saying this so early, but find a way to get along with one another or find another game. This was intended to be a low-pressure friendly game, and I'm not afraid of enforcing that rule.

Mafia games get heated. If me defending myself is going to be perceived as “unfriendly “ that’s not really fair to me. A mod shouldn’t try to change the way a player plays.

[Pine]

Okay, I've tried being low-key about this, I've tried being direct, and it doesn't seem to be working. In consultation with the listmod, I am invoking Rules #2 and #9:

2. Be nice. I will be the arbiter of what 'nice' is. Mafia is an adversarial game by nature, but personal hostility and toxicity will not be tolerated.
9. I reserve the right to warn, force-replace, or modkill as I deem necessary. Don't push it.

Gustavo will be force-replaced.

I'm sorry, but after multiple player complaints and three public warnings, one of them addressed directly to you, with no change in behavior, you're out. Picking a fight with me over my ruleset is a bridge too far. As stated in the rules, Mafia is indeed an adversarial game, but your rhetoric has been entirely too harsh and personal. If you have a problem with this, feel free to take it up with the listmod (implosion).

As the deadline is nowhere near expired, it will not be paused while a replacement is found.

Inferno may stay, assuming he wants to, with a warning directed at him to cool his jets.

Brassherald also receives a warning for same.

Don't bring toxicity into my game.

[Pine]

Thread locked while an appeal is resolved. If this lasts longer than a few hours, deadline will be modified.

[Pine]

Andrius replaces Gustavo.

It is my sincere hope that we can put this unpleasant business behind us and move on friendly-like. If anyone would like to rehash what happened, please feel free not to. If you have any questions, please direct them to me by PM.

The game resumes with no effect on the deadline.

[the worst]

Ay Andrius

[the worst]

Ausuka could you throw me some thoughts in particular which you think are unlikely to come from scum!profii? I'll use you to sort out my read on him if you don't mind



profii I await your assessment of the Rask!wagon and responses to my questions with bated breath :3

[profii]

I will answer but excuse me if I wait a bit - I’m just waiting for a couple of things to happen. I have a plan

[brassherald]

Hello Andrius. I want to apologize to everyone for my actions before.

I am an adult, and should have been able to show more self control, and not get particularly angry with any player.

In terms of game related content, I am going to completely disregard posts from the slot before the replace out to give Andrius a fair chance since I know my emotional reads can and often will be wrong.

[Inferno390]

Cool. I’m waiting to get a wisdom teeth consultation rn, but once I get home I’ll finish my first ISO.

Perot. Same.

[Inferno390]

Pedit not Perot. What the heck IS A Perot?

[the worst]

dats a surname

[the worst]

I didn't interact with Gus for a few (hopefully obvious) reasons. Andrius is a very welcome edition.

[Chickadee]

Welcome Andrius!

[xyzzy]

oh my god 10+ pages since the last time I had the chance to read any of the thread at all. let's do this

[Raskolnikov]

@Mod declaring VLA until saturday

Moving friday and have a ton of things I have to wrap up (have really awful tendancy to procrastinate doing necessary things as well so I feel as I kinda have to self impose this)
Will still check in and should be fine again saturday/sunday and from then on

V/LA acknowledged.