Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

don't give me that phoney AtE crap. if you think it's fake tell me why you think it's fake. the fact you're trying to call me out on a personality thing when you don't know me is g r o s s

but also most of the player list just feels totally resigned with my lunch. like if I was revealed as IC where would people even go?

Uh it seems fake because we're not seeing any proof?

[Gamma Emerald]

been deliberating over this for some time, but

@mod: replace me. Also, can I choose to proxy to Keyser until I am replaced?

I really like the flavor of this game, so I’m ashamed I have to do this. If this was my only game, I’d be able to keep up with it, but it’s not. I have another account that I am also playing games on, and i got much going on irl. finding it extremely difficult and as sacrificing too much of my time to keep up with this thread and balance it with other games i’m in rn, but i will make a parting statement. I feel like there’s way too much thread spamming going on, whoever is town should really consider posting less content because there’s way too much unnecessary content being posted in the thread, and it can’t all be from scum. Further, the content is distracting from catching scum.

DEAR WHOEVER REPLACES ME: ONE MISSION; LOOK INTO WHO DIDN’T RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS, PLEASE!


UNVOTE: Irrelephant



PS(parting statement): KEYSER IS TOWN NO MATTER WHAT; my strongest TR has never EVER been wrong regardless of my own alignment. It has resulted in me replacing into a game on N1 and correctly neighbouring a town player AFTER A D1 scum lynch, and taking full advantage of it to eventually win a game for town in LYLO, so you can trust this read with your life. There’s a definite chance shoshin is scum, but regarding keyser DON’T FALL FOR THE SHIT OTHERS ARE FEEDING YOU RE: HIS READ. SOMEBODY IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO PLANT SEEDS OF DOUBT HIM, AND IT’S WORKING TOO!



/legacy post

okay then
I guess there's no reason to lie about the strength of his reads?

[skitter30]

eh, there are players who'll do that as scum when they rep out

*cough* math *cough*

[Gamma Emerald]

I get that
but he specifically states his strongest townread as either alignment is always town
Honestly that feels like a trust tell

[Irrelephant11]

A sidenote while I write about Keyser - these are the three largest wagons so far:

Momrangal(4) ~ northsidegal(4), the worst(48), skitter30(41), stungun0404(28)
the worst(4) ~ Invisibility(28), skitter30(63), Bernie Sanders(81), Nauci(26)
Nauci(4) ~ Shoshin(112), Irrelephant11(62), Momrangal(36), the worst(99)

the worst probably is actually scum

Mathdino
Keyser Soze
Gamma Emerald
^while these three have avoided being on any large wagons


Also if nauci is town this just sucks I thought my play showed my town motivations

If she's scum that makes it easier to reconcile how upset I am about it with how well I thought I'd been playing

...I see now why I am stuck on a nauci scumread let me also start over on her

[Shoshin]

i think at that point he wasn't super interested in my opinion of him or you (this is before i called him out for his vote on me i think, or at least that became a thing and he was under suspicion), but was more concerned about what *you* thought of him. like i don't think i'm the target/audience of that post; you are.

I'd already said he was town so how do you figure that?

[Shoshin]

Hey Irrelephant, I still want your thoughts on Stun.

[Shoshin]

Like, Skitter, assume for a moment that Irrelephant's scum who knows that you're town and that I'm town. Why would he encourage you to townread me instead of sitting back and letting your paranoia fester? The last thing scum want is for two townies who suspect each other to suddenly start trusting each other and working together.

[Irrelephant11]

Hey Irrelephant, I still want your thoughts on Stun.

working on it. Re-evaluating most slots rn, trying to include things I've been ignoring up till now like vote progressions and associations

[Gamma Emerald]

A sidenote while I write about Keyser - these are the three largest wagons so far:

Momrangal(4) ~ northsidegal(4), the worst(48), skitter30(41), stungun0404(28)
the worst(4) ~ Invisibility(28), skitter30(63), Bernie Sanders(81), Nauci(26)
Nauci(4) ~ Shoshin(112), Irrelephant11(62), Momrangal(36), the worst(99)

the worst probably is actually scum

Mathdino
Keyser Soze
Gamma Emerald
^while these three have avoided being on any large wagons


Also if nauci is town this just sucks I thought my play showed my town motivations

If she's scum that makes it easier to reconcile how upset I am about it with how well I thought I'd been playing

...I see now why I am stuck on a nauci scumread let me also start over on her

I haven't voted once

[Irrelephant11]

...huh. you should try it

[Invisibility]

okay i know this is really crappy of me but

@mod replace me out

because having to read over the game feels like a burden

[Irrelephant11]

[Irrelephant11]

what are the odds brass is now looking for replacements for the entire scumteam

[brassherald]

I'm searching for replacements, but I now need 3 players. If you know anyone who might be interested, please let them know. I'll post to the discord this evening I guess.

Everyone, if you have strong feelings about what I should do about the deadline at this point, please PM me, I'm at a loss for what to do.

[Shoshin]

Not playing games with Invis anymore. That's a fucked up reason to replace out.

As much as I, too, am frustrated, I would like to ask that you guys keep discussion of the replace out reasons to only game related content. This isn't going to be like a "strike" or anything, but I want to stop discussion of not playing with others immediately. That is a personal choice and this is not the place to discuss that.

-Brass

[Shoshin]

I don't get why it's so hard to get a game without replacements. Still haven't had one yet on this site.

[Shoshin]

Sorry Brass, I'm just frustrated. This is happening in all my games.

[Shoshin]

Can we just modkill the three and move on?

[Irrelephant11]

I thought the same thing but it could be game ending or turn this into a 3:7 and either of those situations sounds terrible.

[brassherald]

Can we just modkill the three and move on?

This is not currently being considered as an option.

[Momrangal]

Kek. Taking today off.

[Irrelephant11]

Well,

anyway,,,

Spoiler: Keyser So Scum

Do you think Skitter is the ‘scum’ who took the bait and nibbled on Shoshin’s early unconventional behaviour?

This is weird why is scum in quotes

Nevermind, just read your “active lurking” post...

One of the only things I'm townreading from keyser

A lot of his early stuff feels careful, like he doesn't want to come across as anything but an observer - never wants heat traced back to him. This is evidenced by the fact that the only player he's voted for is Skitter, also these where he's cryptic

I’ve got a bottom four emerging... unlikely to vote either one yet (this feels too easy).

Invis is town, Keyser. You should take a look at some of his games to ease your paranoia.

I will trust your meta-clear for now. That makes my bottom four a bottom three. Let’s just hope he doesn’t flip scum...


...for your sake

speaking of that vote, the post includes

this works well as skitter30 being the scum who couldn’t resist the bite.

which is worded so weirdly? Like "this works well"??? Not anything like "this is scummy" or even "this is how I read it"

@Shoshin - now’s the time to share that irrefutable meta evidence for town-invisibility.

momrangel actually came back with a bang.

What do you think of mom’s choice to fixate only on invisibility so far?

I already said how these feel fake, and his answer ("I wanted to sit back and watch Shoshin and Momrangel to play out the inner conflict in my head I have over Invisibility.") again shows his unwillingness to do much more than watch

northsidegal

Null read.

Would not vote atm.
Would lynch them over a no lynch though
Contributed nothing to game, and still in RVS (one vote).
Associations paranoia: if Momrangal were to flip scum, this looks bad for northsidegal.
Needs commitment or

replacing

.

Momrangal

Null scum lean.

Would vote.
Would lynch.
The invisibility-tunnel looks bad (regardless if invisibility were to flip town or scum).
5 of her 6 posts have been about invisibility.
No pro-active sorting of the playerlist.
Associations paranoia: Yep, you guessed it, invisibility.
Momrangal needs to show me she is interested in solving the game.

These two feel v safe
The Planeteers are growing quite fond of you too.

Get out of here with this ish this is completely irrelephant

what does skitter > nauci mean

which one's the towny side

It means: Skitter lynch is better than Nauci lynch right now if I had to choose between the two.

Your meta-tell must be strong for Nauci. Impressive if you caught scum in a few posts.

This feels like an attempt to scumread me later if nauci flips town

Wow did not see the Irrelephant11-scum-angle at all. Is it I who has been pocketed??? That is a fresh take I will need convincing on.

This reads as excitement to have the opportunity to scumread me

Unlucky mate, tough replace in. You did your best.

This feels like scum gloating

All of this said, I have a hard time seeing stungun saying what he says as either alignment if keyser is scum
I also don't think keyser is scum with the worst

So, there's that I guess.

Oh also Nauci is probably actually town because scum!Nauci wants me to like her and town!Nauci is actually this paranoid of me. Is Nauci is town skitter probably also is? So that's fun
@Shoshin, I assume the thing you're seeing re:stungun is his weird progressions on the two of us? I could see it in some worlds, maybe.

I think the four replace outs might have two scum

math isn't scum
neither is bernie
I actually think nsg's slot might be town

Sidenote: I have 100% at least once if not more times read skitter posts thinking they were stun posts and stun posts thinking they were skitter posts because synaesthesia

[Keyser Söze]

and?

I want you to 'rock my world'.

Nauci is not feeling like town!Nauci.

What is "town!Nauci"?

= "Nauci when she's town"

What is "town!Nauci"?

What is "town!Nauci"?

[Keyser Söze]

Gamma, I really need to hear your thoughts now given the game state.