Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Gustavo]

are you talking to me?

It was directed at anyone who’s waiting.

It’s perfectly fine lynching a lurker day 1. I know people on this site find it taboo but an old site I played they always lynched a lurker day 1 and town win percentage was high.

[Nauci]

I never townread Stun the same way others have but I'm unsure what to think about Gus. I'm thinking a couple things.

One, he just played as scum in Tropical and his approach in that game was to jump onto opportunistic wagons but rarely start them. His play here is different on that score. But when you compare this to his play as town in Scientific, it looks nothing like it. He never had much confidence in his reads there, asked for input from others, and didn't push anything aggressively like this.

Two, his scumhunting approach here seems to be looking for the same sort of behavior that he exhibited as scum (i.e. looking for opportunistic behaviors) and that's sort of townie on his part. , so he's looking at who jumped onto the Nauci wagon (e.g. me, Mom, etc.). The approach makes sense given the way he played as scum, but it also assumes that Nauci is town and that bugs me.

I don't think that being suspicious of unjustified (or rather, unexplained) votes requires an assumption of me being town

At first I thought it was an interesting route to pressure but now I'm really disappointed with the weird anti-town declaration of tunneling and not listening to clarifications. Can't tell if it's alignment indicative.

[Nauci]

I voted nauci for a # of reasons, none of which are stated and one of said reasons are I'm itching for EoD and top two TRs are/were strongly advocating it

Wait am I reading this correctly

Because this looked like a super blatant admission of opportunistic wagon voting to push any (mis)lynch?

[Nauci]

As far as Gustavo goes, I'm kinda confused. I absolutely see him believing in what he's saying but I don't think that should exclude him from scum. As far as my own play goes, I push logic and cases that I personally believe myself to be pushing if I was town, and because of that, there's a level of authenticity to pushes. I don't think it unreasonable to see others do it.

That in mind, pushing shoshin here is very high risk high reward because it would be clear, if he is scum here, that Shoshin is the town leader here and shutting her down would eliminate town cohesion here in this game, which should be one of scums goals

I don't remember this town coming even close to having a leader

Wat

[Nauci]

Okay so

I don't know how I feel about Gus but he did ruffle enough feathers that I now have better reads on people.

Shoshin goes from null-town to town-lean (now that I realize she was casing me more than defending Irrelephant, I'm feeling really good about her)
Irrelephant11 goes from scummy to null
Momrangal goes from null to scummy

And all of the lurkers are on the naughty list, including math

Skitter the wk is an interesting theory; do you believe the premise for it, that tw is town?

Strangely enough the duckster has somehow earned a null from me for now

There are way too many places I want to vote right now but I'll start with VOTE: momrangal

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I really need to hear your thoughts now given the game state.

I mean I have been saying what I've felt needed to be said
but I can definitely go back and give commentary on what I may have missed the first time around
I can see we've got a few replacements from the preview window tho so that's good
one thing I can say is relevant is the idea that the replace outs were all scum. I feel like given invisibility's replace it could be that he just felt hopeless with his scumteam inactive/being replaced.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gustavo replaces stungun0404. Please welcome him.

The slot which he got was determined by rolling dice, and should not be considered AI for any of the slots being replaced at this time.

the rule is you replace based on timing of replace out fyi

Noted for the future, I was unaware of that rule.

[Gustavo]

That is true. First out, first in

[Gamma Emerald]

Sup everyone. Bare with me. I hope I can catch up soon. My gut would be to just vote nauci and create some fireworks but I’m learning people don’t like fireworks so I’ll try a different approach.

idk I've never played with you so I wouldn't know

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't want a 1500 page essay. Simply two or three sentences to say why Nauci isn't town Nauci in your opinion, then I leave you.

so what impressed me about Nauci's playstyle when I was scum vs. her was how transparently conspicuously town she was. she was constantly critical, open minded and worked well with others townies.

she feels less attached and engaged here and I cannot shake the feeling that her posting is pushing an agenda and specific preconceived stances rather than actively forming opinions fluidly as she goes.

if that makes sense??

I can get that idea but want to take a look myself before I make a full conclusion

[Gustavo]

Sup everyone. Bare with me. I hope I can catch up soon. My gut would be to just vote nauci and create some fireworks but I’m learning people don’t like fireworks so I’ll try a different approach.

idk I've never played with you so I wouldn't know

Im confused. Your response doesn’t make sense to that post.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m gonna take a break from this game for the night

Nauci finding scum motivation for every little thing I do is exhausting, regardless of her alignment

See you tomorrow

Yeah that's not AI, Zyf did it to me in my first game here (I miss him btw)
@gustavo I'm saying Idk how I'd respond to your playstyle given I haven't had a chance to

[Gamma Emerald]

Not_Mafia replaces Invisibility. Again, I rolled a dice to determine who replaces whom. It has been totally random that the first to request replacement is also the last to be replaced.

Please welcome Not_Mafia

Hello
Let's see if one of {me, Mathdino} can't figure out your alignment

[Gamma Emerald]

Not_Mafia! Excellent. Easiest guy to read in the game. Such a simple mind. In a good way.

fucking how do you read NM

[Mathdino]

Holy balls N_M is here
If he posts then there's no fear
I'm really sorry for ghosting y'all
My sitewide posting has slowed to a crawl
I'll stop rhyming when I can sit down and write
Until then I still think a Gamvote is right

[skitter30]

Skitter the wk is an interesting theory; do you believe the premise for it, that tw is town?

i didn't like his entrance but i ultimately decided it wasn't AI because it doesn't really feel like him as either alignment; i think it's more of a lack of motivation thing that isn't necessarily game-related

i don't think he's done anything ai since then.

the way she defended him felt kinda off and almost self-righteous-y, like she was the only considering that his behavior might not be AI or game-related; like she was going on about how nobody was willing to give him slack when me and other people had already done so. it really rubbed me the wrong way and is also indicative of not reading the thread.

also i didn't like the posts she made this morning; pretty much the same ones you pulled out

i'm pretty confident that the two of them are not s/s tho; i'd be quite surprised if they were because the timing of their votes on you and tw's vote on mom doesn't feel like partners

p-edit: hi math

[Gamma Emerald]

really? i iwish i had this skill

The trick is to not overthink it. Is he doing pro-town things? He's town. Is he doing pro-scum things? He's scum.

I'm sorry what
like the whole thing with NM is he's anti-town as town
have you seen him quickhammer, that's like one of his deals

[skitter30]

gamma, who's scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nauci

Why did you vote nauci immediately after math did with absolutely no reason for it and hardly any mention of him prior?

VOTE: shoshin

He’s not a team player. I ask him a few questions and he flails and votes me.

By his own definition of what scum is, he’s guilty of being scum.

I’ll see y’all day 2.

does this not strike you as a situation scum!Shoshin would try to avoid being in though?

idk I think I've seen people make that mistake before, may have even made it myself once

[Gamma Emerald]

Skitter, you can sheep me too, you know. I know you don't have any experience with me but my reads are usually pretty good.

Why the appeal?

[Gamma Emerald]

nvm I understand what it was

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m just here to deny I misrepped shoshin. I find it kind of hypocritical since he misrepped the worst.

I’d also like to say my scum game is nothing like my play so far this game and in both of those games he linked, sho did provide some sort of explanation for his vote or reads.

So Sho isn't playing her scum or town game based on those
so why do you think she's scum here?

[Gustavo]

Skitter, you can sheep me too, you know. I know you don't have any experience with me but my reads are usually pretty good.

Why the appeal?

I tbink I missed this post. You should listen to him. His reads were spot on in tropical...

[Shoshin]

I don't remember this town coming even close to having a leader

Wat

I'd say I've been one of the leaders in this game even if you haven't felt that way. Leadership isn't exclusive to one player and this town has a number of players who play as leaders - and just so you know, part of leading is knowing when to let others lead so if you're just looking for someone that others are sheeping that's not really what Mom was talking about.

[Gustavo]

I’m just here to deny I misrepped shoshin. I find it kind of hypocritical since he misrepped the worst.

I’d also like to say my scum game is nothing like my play so far this game and in both of those games he linked, sho did provide some sort of explanation for his vote or reads.

So Sho isn't playing her scum or town game based on those
so why do you think she's scum here?

Because I don’t use meta and I find her posts here highly suspicious.