Gerrymandering Shadow Government Democracy Mafia Endgame

[the worst]

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[123456789]

You realize that on a mechanical level, this doesn't really make logical sense, right?

No, I don't realize that. It seems like a fantastic town role to me.

Doublevoting is something anyone can do, regardless of their alignment. All they have to do is send in a postal vote during the campaign phase AND vote on election day.

This is then considered electoral fraud, and mafia have an ability to punish those who commit electoral fraud. Snce we are not certain that town has a similar power (though the chance is probably much greater than zero), it is fair to suspect anyone who commits fraud.

[123456789]

Yeah tw is town and should be our president again today imo.

(also can people do the lie detector thing again please with nothing else in the post because it costs nothing etc)

Why president?

[Ausuka]

Because he was my only conftown but he doesn't want presidency so...

[123456789]

math's stack-the-deck kinda taught me the perils of assuming why/how prs (specifically bg's) died tbh

although i'd feel kinda bad fucking up on something like this twice tho

do you think muffin might have targeted someone else?

(The only other thing Muffin could've done was not use their ability as we don't have another president.)

[123456789]

Because he was my only conftown but he doesn't want presidency so...

Makes sense. You can only use the ability during the night?

[Ausuka]

Yeah. But I can only do it during the night if you guys post that you are town. So.

Hold on actually I should clarify something.

[123456789]

I think we should use the lie detector ability slightly differently. In particular, we shouldn't use it on posts with one person but rather two or three people.

For instance: "123456789 and Mutantdevle are aligned with the town." Then, when you get the lie detector result, if you get truth, you know both people are town. Otherwise, town is guaranteed at least one scum out of the two.

[Ausuka]

Yeah that's what I was going to clarify: whether something counts as a lie if the person saying it didn't know it was false.

[Tazaro]

I hereby have two things to proceed to pucker up into a monumental megaphone and claim to the clammy, sweaty seated awaiting audience ...
Engage.

Two things are--> I postal voted for Fighting Dreamers. Then I election day voted for Fighting Dreamers.

[mutantdevle]

okay so I'm just going to come out and say this since people are ignoring me and we probably have some sort of protection other than presidential bodyguard. I'm a 2-shot lie detector on presidential mod posts, so yes we do actually need to do the lie detector thing.

Have you used a shot yet, if so, what was the result?

If you have used a shot already, and plan to use the other today but don't want to tell us either result yet, make sure to at least send your results to your party PT if you die.

[mutantdevle]

it seems that given the current district placements, things become more chaotic if tw is dead; it turns several of the districts into tossups.

.....and then who comes in with shade throwing and a new party?

???

starts with an A and rhymes with "blaronis".

Are you saying Aronis is mafia and planned to kill you off so he could form his own party in the ashes?

Because if you are, I'm going to have to strongly disagree.

[mutantdevle]

Also yes I have an inno on tw so we can stop talking about if he's somehow fake cleared or not

somewhat annoying that my invest died n1 but oh well. I considered investigating mutant but if his info about how to make presidential posts was false that could have messed up the investigation so I decided to go with tw instead.

Fair enough.

Do you still want me to make a crier post so that you can investigate me? I know this sounds scummy but from where I'm sat this cop style ability is better used on Ruby.

[mutantdevle]

Yeah that's what I was going to clarify: whether something counts as a lie if the person saying it didn't know it was false.

Aww damn. I suppose this makes sense for balance though.

[mutantdevle]

I hereby have two things to proceed to pucker up into a monumental megaphone and claim to the clammy, sweaty seated awaiting audience ...
Engage.

Two things are--> I postal voted for Fighting Dreamers. Then I election day voted for Fighting Dreamers.

Asshole.

@Hebichan and @Tazaro, I'd like to take this moment to say that Edosurist's death is entirely on the pair of you. If either of you had spoken up about your double votes yesterday then we would have known there was 2 double votes sooner and Edosurist wouldn't have had to die. We are now in a situation where your actions have caused us to misslynch a townie and each of you are now heavily due policy lynches that could probably be spent better elsewhere. As a town, we agreed almost unanimously that double voting was a scum claim yet both of you had to be anti-town and go through with it anyway. Instead of speaking up, you were both cowards and let someone else eat the lynch that each of you deserved. You should have taken responsibility for your actions and spoken up sooner.

So shame on both of you for your actions.

Knowing you had double voted made Edosurist's claim so much more likely to be true. Hence you both knew we were lynching a townie. Tazaro, at the very least, was softly defending Edosurist. He made a few comments agreeing with the worst on how so much support for Edosurist was suspicious. Of course, if he really wanted to save Edosurist's life he would have claimed his double vote. Hebichan on the other hand, made no effort to oppose the Edosurist lynch. He just commented on the situation with no real input. If there's scum in these double voters then I'm convinced it's Hebichan. If we are going to lynch over this situation again then it should be Hebichan that goes. I don't think it's wise to spend 3 lynches here though. If we have a killing role then they should definitely take out Taz because he'd be dangerous to be kept for MyLo.

This whole fiasco is annoying. But at least we have the 2 (in my opinion) confirmed townies of the worst and Ausuka to balance this out.

[Tazaro]

I hereby have two things to proceed to pucker up into a monumental megaphone and claim to the clammy, sweaty seated awaiting audience ...
Engage.

If either of you had spoken up about your double votes yesterday then we would have known there was 2 double votes sooner and Edosurist wouldn't have had to die. We are now in a situation where your actions have caused us to misslynch a townie and each of you are now heavily due policy lynches that could probably be spent better elsewhere

A couple of things. How many times was it said that the problem was if someone double voted at all?--It was said over and over again, and, so, it's kind of a waste of further breath to now insert that if there were actually MORE people who double voted then one of those people in particular (Edosurist, you say) would have been saved. All this stuff about double voting is bad, and it's a scum claim and stuff. And now turn it around and say if it WERE claimed it would have been Edosurist's salvation?
I did not mislynch a townie; you guys DID with your insistence that "oh no" someone double voted or did not vote or whatnot is a problem. No it's not. We don't all walk in lockstep. And the double voting thing was made such an issue and therefore Edosurist had to die was such a dumb move.
Oh, and don't even talk about "policy lynches" in the same breath of saying that an innocent townie was lynched. The policy lynch of me would kill an innocent townie. What is then the point of saying "policy lynch" anyway when the "policy lynch" of Edosurist happened? And the only ones who don't have responsibility for him dying is those who didn't support his lynch. Imagine that.
So what is it going to be--is there a soft insinuation that I deserve to die because I have the guilt of double voting? Wasn't that the very problem that was risen as a specter over Edosurist?|
And can we drop the lining up of lynches to find the double voter. At least we can end that now

[Wraith]

You are such fucking scum

[Tazaro]

pre-ninja: I did not agree with the logic of double voting equals a problem and therefore Edosurist equals a convenient person who gets to be dumped into a lynch pool and then gets lynched because the mob (who I wasn't a part of) said to lynch him and kill scum, at best, or at the least find the dratted double voter. What a crummy plan. Someone in this thread said about double voting that "it's a scum claim." Who was it that dared write that, again?

[Tazaro]

However, I think we should, as minimum, impose the rule

Electoral fraud is a scum claim

.
Allowing electoral fraud to take place is strictly anti-town.

Oh, yes, it was this gem that I remembered. The minimum rule should be the rule that embroiled people like Edosurist and me?!???!

[Tazaro]

Edosurist is enough proof that it embroiled the wrong people. And NO I did not double vote as a way to be consistent at defending myself from Edosurist and myself from future criticism. I am not a foreseer of the future. Edosurist's lynch was a left turn to me, and I think my posting day one made that clear.

[the worst]

math's stack-the-deck kinda taught me the perils of assuming why/how prs (specifically bg's) died tbh

although i'd feel kinda bad fucking up on something like this twice tho

do you think muffin might have targeted someone else?

(The only other thing Muffin could've done was not use their ability as we don't have another president.)

yeah but I can't see that slot getting shot honestly. also very much doubt skitter is scum here just ftr

[Tazaro]

As an aside, Aronis said he would not kill me. Hell yes I support his party, and I felt like he was getting on the right track with what he was saying even before he said he would not kill me. He was on the right track with the "double voting" is no big deal, which is why I did indeed join his party. You can think we're scum together, but that's simply not the case.

[Tazaro]

We already killed Edosurist for this "big deal" about nothing at all. Aronis is right on this and so am I.

[the worst]

it seems that given the current district placements, things become more chaotic if tw is dead; it turns several of the districts into tossups.

.....and then who comes in with shade throwing and a new party?

???

starts with an A and rhymes with "blaronis".

Are you saying Aronis is mafia and planned to kill you off so he could form his own party in the ashes?

Because if you are, I'm going to have to strongly disagree.

just tinfoil for now but the timing does notttttttt look good.

[Tazaro]

^^don't know why double voting was put in " " by myself <-<