SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[PenguinPower]

Don't really care to. As I said, my actual town games will reflect. Quite honestly, I shouldn't even come even close to LyLo, anyway so.... meh.

I do really think you need to go though.

Final post for today. Lynch in Shoshin or Deas (or Pun if that will actually happen - which it shouldn't and won't).

Or lynch me.

[Shoshin]

Okay, cool. I'm asking PP to help me sort him and he's refusing. I'll add that to the list of scummy things PP has done.

[PenguinPower]

If I'm town, who is scum?

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Penguin Power
Don't even think this is scum.

I am just super lazy about this game right now.

[Dunnstral]

I don't want the Penguin Power wagon

[Errantparabola]

Welcome Commander Shepard, who replaces Nahdia.

[Commander Shepard]

Hi everyone.

The Normandy is leaving the dock and I am reading.

Anyone wanna be EDI and catch me up on details?

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Penguin Power
Don't even think this is scum.

I am just super lazy about this game right now.

It looks like this is L-1. Why would you put someone st L-1 when the game is actively seeking a replacement? And then not call it out? And on a “townread”?

FoS Fire Assassin

I think he was indoctrinated by the Reapers.

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Fire Assassin while I read.

[Commander Shepard]

Alright, picked a random town Penguin game to see if he scumhunts by looking at the players who townread him.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=75471

I skimmed his iso and he did no such thing. I'm assuming he just doesn't actually do that unless he pulls up some games proving otherwise. So he's scum here, and he's scum for exactly the reasons I've said.

This is a really good point.

What are some of your other reads?

[Commander Shepard]

I don't want the Penguin Power wagon

Looking at Shoshin’s posts I can see some of why PP is probably scum.

Can you explain why you don’t want the wagon? Or give me a gist of where your head is at that I can review tomorrow morning?

[Chara]

the notion that Penguin would just scumhunt players townreading him makes no sense. it refers to this game where he knew he was playing as scum. picking a random towngame where Penguin may have been playing differently doesn't mean anything.
so i don't agree that it's a good point, essentially.

also, hello Shepard!

[Chara]

i say the above knowing Penguin could very well be scum, but the logic bothered me enough i had to say something.
and also Penguin still comes in third in my lynchlist after Shoshin.

[Commander Shepard]

Hi Chara.

Why wouldn’t PP if town hunt everyone?

Why is your vote with a slash?

That’s weird.

[Chara]

what's your preferred way?

In an ideal world, I'd cast a few votes to indicate my top suspect and maybe ask a few questions to indicate the direction of my scumhunting process - and it'd be apparent I was town. But when I try that it usually leads to lots of suspicion so I have to adapt to the players I'm with. I thought my questions were pretty good ones here but apparently that's not enough, so I suppose I'll try making cases.

so in your ideal game, you're only asking questions and voting?
my problem with you is you're pushing other players for thoughts and content but driving none of your own. even your questions to me were just going through the motions for bookkeeping rather than anything real.

[Chara]

Hi Chara.

Why wouldn’t PP if town hunt everyone?

Why is your vote with a slash?

That’s weird.

what i mean is, Penguin's logic here is he's scummy so it's strange for players to townread him. unless he's scummy in every one or most of his towngames, it'd be very strange to think Penguin would be scumreading players who townread him in any random towngame.
Shoshin saying "he didn't do that in this one towngame i looked at, prove me wrong Penguin" to a player who has essentially given up by any cursory glance isn't really doing any work.

[Chara]

my vote is a slash with Maria because our votes are stuck together.

[Chara]

Why would you think this? Why is it more likely that he's a townie intentionally playing scummy rather than scum who is actually scummy?

it's not intentional, it's perfectly possible to be aware you're not playing towny while not doing so intentionally. if "being town" was as easy as being town, nobody would ever be mislynched.

[Commander Shepard]

Who do you think is scum on the PP wagon Nahdia?

[Commander Shepard]

Who do you think is scum on the PP wagon Nahdia?

Chara*

Wow sorry brain fail

[Chara]

Why are you so concerned with appearing town rather than just playing to a town wincon in order to just help town win?

Super Pro Tip, do town things, and town reads will follow, this much concern about being townread by people troubles me. It troubles me quite a bit.

I understand why you'd be concerned about this but you also need to understand where I'm coming from. Even the best townies get mislynched sometimes; being townread isn't always as simple as doing pro-town things, sometimes it's a matter of presenting your thought process in a way that allows others to understand how it comes from a town perspective.

I'm concerned about appearing town because I've been disengaged from the game to the point where there's an understandable amount of paranoia about my alignment, and when I started getting back into the game doing pro-town things, people still called me scum because I didn't have enough certainty and they didn't like my question-based approach.

My sense is that people are getting caught up in the way I'm presenting my thoughts instead of actually looking at what I'm saying, so I'm presenting basically the exact same information except in the form of cases. Like, I had said most of the stuff in my PP case before. There's not really much new stuff there. I just put the information together in a different way so that players who can't read between the lines see what I'm saying and are better able to understand my thought process.

does anyone here have experience with scum Shoshin? this post just ruined my scumread but it could be faked by someone with any sort of reasonable skill at doing so.

[Chara]

Who do you think is scum on the PP wagon Nahdia?

my scumspects are Deas, Shoshin, Penguin.
though Shoshin is now outdated.
i'm going to bed now. don't worry if you're town, i'm town. :>

[Chara]

Can yuo explain a bit more in depth on the DV "gameplay" scumread?

Mostly that his voting doesn't align at all with his rankings, or his ranking with his statements on players, especially given the casualness associated.

And where's your thoughts on Nahdia?

Don't like that she rated me highly, said she made her stance on me clear D1, and then disappeared. I don't usually care for people who town read me when I shouldn't be.

<3 Penguin, i agree about Deas. he seems happy with all lynches (Nahdia, Penguin, somewhat Shoshin) and it makes me nervous.

[Chara]

I don't usually care for people who town read me when I shouldn't be.

i'm inclined to believe this because i understand the feeling. can you link a game, though? according to Shoshin, the onus is on you for doing so.

[Commander Shepard]

Who do you think is scum on the PP wagon Nahdia?

my scumspects are Deas, Shoshin, Penguin.
though Shoshin is now outdated.
i'm going to bed now. don't worry if you're town, i'm town. :>

I am pretty sure you’re town and I know I am town :>

If your vote wasn’t stuck where would it be?