NY 213 - Game Over!

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Laughable.

So, you're telling me you

didn't

waffle back and forth all over this post without giving a definitive position on Performer?

It's a tactical mistake to try to change wagons to a completely new one with such an inactive game, so late in the day.
If everyone was posting every 2-3 hours or faster it would be different. At this rate it will be hard enough to consolidate on a big wagon.

Someone's going to make the value proposition point on a Performer lynch. It is true that we get more information there, but I think the probability of it being scum is lower. For the record, I do see the things that Performer is being scumread for and would be willing to compromise there as needed. I can't tell if the town-motivated things I'm seeing from Performer are really coming from town or just scum making a decent effort at trying to save things.

I don't know vaxkiller well enough to know if the vig claim is likely to be a gambit. It would be pretty dangerous to fakeclaim as scum if there is a vig in the game, and equally dangerous to fakeclaim if there isn't one unless lack of a 2nd kill can be easily explained.

[davesaz]

Replace out

Done with mafia.
See my sig.
Adios.
Fuck you very much.

pagetop

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #32

Performer (8) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Kublai Khan (957), Wavemode (1108), Vaxkiller (1116), Lalendra (1229), Osuka (1384), ArcAngel9 (1397), Hopkirk (1458)

Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (0) -
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Ausuka (0) -
Lalendra (0) -
Davesaz (0) -
JarJarDrinks (2) - Myloninja13 (326), Andriod18 (855)
Osuka (2) - Pine (176),

TheRampage

PenguinPower (681)
Andriod18 (3) - JarJarDrinks (1410), Creature (1449), Almost50 (1460)
Texcat (1) - Dunnstral (1388)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (1) - Golden Robster (602)

Wavemode (5) - Ausuka (998), Davesaz (1014), Performer (1051), Texcat (1080), Gamma Emerald (1107)

PenguinPower (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (955)
Not Voting (2) - Flavor Leaf, Scioness Sajj (1325)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on June 30, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:15:00).

Moderator Notes

Moderator is V/LA July 1 and July 4.
EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.
Andriod18 V/LA until Saturday, June 30.
As a general reminder, if you are regularly V/LA on the weekends, you must either set V/LA tags each weekend or post in-thread that you'll be V/LA over the weekend

each weekend

so that both I and other players can keep track of it easily.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77) --> Texcat (1388)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) --> Performer (898) --> Andriod18 (1449)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725) --> Performer (957)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) --> Performer (1273) --> (Null) (1315) --> Performer (1458)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107)

Ausuka

: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559) --> Performer (1229)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz: Wavemode (1014)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771) --> Performer (1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) --> Performer (1384)
Texcat: Osuka (79) --> Wavemode (1080)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) --> Performer (1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) --> Performer (1116)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867) --> Performer (1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj:

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

[davesaz]

damn, missed it. Closing tabs.

[Ircher]

Seeking a replacement for Davesaz.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

TO THE VIG

Proper play in this case is if the lynch flips green, you shoot the competing wagon. If the lynch flips red, you shoot on association or hold your shot if you can.

FUCK THAT

You shoot a lurker.

Yeah that's acceptable-ish in the case of a scum flip.

[osuka]

Are we aiming to lynch

scum

, or are we punishing people for their bad play?

Yes

>"a or b?"
>"yes"

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Replace out

Done with mafia.
See my sig.
Adios.
Fuck you very much.

[Ircher]

Frozen Angel replaces Davesaz, effective immediately.

Edit: Also, as a general reminder, you should treat other peoples like you would like to be treated. Please avoid being toxic and disrespectful to one another.

[Ausuka]

Hi FA how does it feel to replace into a townslot?

[Frozen Angel]

hello!

It feels great!

Being able to post on MS after a while feels even better

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Hi frozen. Vote Performer.

[wavemode]

I'm town, Ausuka town,

these are obvious

this is Gamma Emerald town

AM I ALONE IN THINKING THIS. gamma emerald is not this incisive or aggressive as scum. (few examples 649 or 1037) if me townreading Gamma is so problematic go look at Open 703, I did the same thing and i was right. this flips town 29 times out of 30

we have almost50 town

again, i've played with him, and it's the same playstyle and tone. i also like his posting here, i don't see scummy intent and he posts like he cares about the game state (ex. 161, 308, 1380). 17 out of 20

Kublai Khan is town

i like his posting and i am somewhat inclined to agree with 566. 9 out of 10

Mylon is probably town?

i know his meta, it's like i said before im inclined to believe he usually is sheepy and carefree like this as town rather than as scum (ex. Open 724 and Micro 803 vs. Micro 798). 8 out of 10

JarJarDrinks is probably town

Dunnstral probably town

a number of their posts display what i feel like is a townie mindset (ex. 369, 735, 790, 440, 1159, 1260) both 8 out of 10

and Creature town

i've played with him and i agree with 161. 9 out of 10

PenguinPower is town

PenguinPower is town

The guy who replaced TheRampage? Why?

what was even the original case against rampage. null lurking?

and then people were still scumreading therampage after 834? why?

like i know there's the pride aspect that MS players don't want to get AtE'd but come on people, in actual REAL WORLD gameplay this flips town 9/10 times i can't be alone in thinking this

and Vaxkiller almost certainly town

he claimed vig unprompted on day 1

dave probably town?

Wavemode has no scumreads. JFC people, think!

i've played with him when he was scum and town, i don't think as scum he cares this much or gets this flustered and aggressive over something like his preferred wagon not going through? 23 out of 27

pedit: aaand dave is gone. wellp

[Ausuka]

I guess I won't heavily oppose a performer lynch today if people want that. I feel like 1313 is a really odd post for a VT to make and looks like a doc soft that he didn't go through with? and others seem pretty confident but I suspect wavemode more and I actually think android has high scum equity as scum off osuka from earlier. Not like I could control a 25p game at all even as IC but.

[WhemeStar]

On page 59 will read after work

[JarJarDrinks]

I guess I won't heavily oppose a performer lynch today if people want that.

I still oppose it heavily for reasons already stated. Namely:

Spoiler:

Can we stop telling scum that if they want to win all they have to do is lurk?

[Ircher]

Deadline has been extended to be on July 1, 2018 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-01 16:00:00).

Hopefully

, I'll be around that time, but if not, a flip may be delayed until Monday because I might be busy all-Sunday.

[Frozen Angel]

Ok give me a bit so I can read people and ISO stuff

I need a bit to sort real life things and then I'll read this

[Ausuka]

I mean we probably have multiple vigs this game so hopefully even if we do lynch Perf they can help narrow down the lurkpool. Mylo is still town though.

Pedit: hm ok

[Ausuka]

If I'm being cautious about what I classify as a townread my townreads would be this:
Almost50
Golden Robster
Creature
Hopkirk
Frozen Angel
Osuka
Myloninja13

Starting to think doubting my tr on perf was maybe a mistake?

[Hopkirk]

@Frozen: Ausuka is an IC in a neighbourhood with Wave and Performer.

[Hopkirk]

@Ausuka: Is the Dave slot townread due to the site quit?

[Ausuka]

partially yes; I think the way in which he did that was very obvtown. he also feels genuine at various points.

[Frozen Angel]

OK I'm really here and am playing a game! Lets do this

Omg we have ausuka and osuka both playing???

oh no this is gonna be bad

i'm one of those names and i was confused for a second

possibly a sign of not being aligned because he "got confused" by names ^ though that depends on Osuka's ability in playing as mafia.

Public service announcement: I plan on active lurking through D1 at least. This is a very large game, and my reads are traditionally sub-random in crowded D1s.

If he can do this so can I.

I don't like this one

How about this, nobody posts anything d1 and we don’t Lynch in case we end up voting a townie

Then we convince the mafia not to kill anyone and we call it a draw

I'm going to call an early SR on this. Some kind of combination of LAMIST and "haha let's do this anti-Town thing as a joke but no really."

That was an obvious joke. This is kindda a nervous response.

VOTE: osuka

Scummiest vibe.

This sheep is low-key alarming.

pedit: huh thats nice info thanks!

[Creature]

Atleast I don't have to bother reading Frozen Angel.