NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Elbirn]

I'm gonna give you some self-meta, calmly and relatively gently.

While I think you are scum here, I also think you wrote this more or less from the heart.

Outside of this game: You have no need to take peoples reads on you personally.
I do not know you on a personal level, but I have seen and played with you enough to say that I really have no trouble believing you are a very honest person.
A person with high moral standards.
I also know it can suck that the sites meta (and the overall direction it might be evolving towards) is not in your favor or to your liking.
I've "lost" many a pastime and community over the years simply because I either couldn't or simply wouldn't adapt to the changes that came with the times.

I'm not sure why I wrote all this, but I hope you don't feel bad about people scumreading you.

I think

*puffs bubble pipe*

That hitalt might be playing nice with someone he knows is town

[Elbirn]

516 - Elbirn, you can be incorrect without being scummy, and it's worthwhile to point out when people are wrong.

[...]

VOTE: Inferno390

Did you link to the right post up there because I don't follow what you're saying or how you seem to defend inferno but then vote him

[Elbirn]

Yeah hitalt has lackluster posts, overly focused on team building without any real reasoning, blah blah I don't like him today

VOTE: HitAlt

[xyzzy]

516 - Elbirn, you can be incorrect without being scummy, and it's worthwhile to point out when people are wrong.

[...]

VOTE: Inferno390

Did you link to the right post up there because I don't follow what you're saying or how you seem to defend inferno but then vote him

just because I think that overall someone is scum doesn't mean I can't have positive feelings about some of that person's posts. in this case it's hardly even that?? like I'm barely even defending Inferno390 here, this comment is mostly about how I disagree with a thing you said

[Elbirn]

I'm really confused.

The post you linked in that post was my response to inferno saying "you feel off but you're not scummy" which I did not understand. It also didn't include inferno saying I'm wrong.

We are talking past each other can we start over :/

[dramonic]

@inferno: "if x flips town theres scum on the wagon" isn't much a door as much as an empty sentence. Like 90% of lynchwagons have scum on them, it's a dumb statement.

[Pine]

replace out -- mean it this time

I'm done with mafia.

That's strictly a health thing btw. Sorry Pine, I'm old and I don't like the physical effects of raging any more.

No hard feelings! You do you, and take care of yourself. I hope you don't give up on Mafia altogether, maybe just take a break from it and see if another approach works.

Taly replaces davesaz. Welcome!

VC incoming sometime soon.

[Taly]

[Elbirn]

Hi taly, who is your favorite power ranger and why?

[Chickadee]

Welcome Taly!



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I know some people have posed questions to me about my town reads, as well as my activity. Sorry I won't be getting to them tonight. I'm dead tired after work here. I'm also a wee bit behind. I've skimmed most things, but haven't really read all of it. I think Davesaz comes across as town in that interaction though. So congrats Taly, on rolling town.

[Taly]

I hardly ever do replace ins but

Pine

is A+ <3

Lots of familiar faces as well.

I'll read through the thread in depth and give an assessment tomorrow, it's late for me now.

Double-checked my Role PM, based off a quick ISO skim,

Dave

played consistent to what I know town-him to be which makes me feel better about meta-ing him accurately.

Hi taly, who is your favorite power ranger and why?

I don't know which version I grew up watching so I'm going to default to whichever is purple because they have good fucking taste

*thumbs up*

Do you have any thoughts you want to share at the moment?

[Elbirn]

Double-checked my Role PM, based off a quick ISO skim,

Dave

played consistent to what I know town-him to be which makes me feel better about meta-ing him accurately.

Hi taly, who is your favorite power ranger and why?

I don't know which version I grew up watching so I'm going to default to whichever is purple because they have good fucking taste

*thumbs up*

Do you have any thoughts you want to share at the moment?

>Read and claims to have a townread on his predecessor
>Favorite power ranger is one that does not exist

REEEEEEEEEEEE-

VOTE: Taly

-EEEEEEE

[xyzzy]

three tomatoes are walking down the street, Papa Tomato, Mama Tomato, and Baby Tomato. Baby Tomato starts lagging behind and Papa Tomato gets really angry, goes back and squishes him, says, "ketchup."

[Pine]

==> Vote Count 1.4 <==

With 17 votes in play, it's 9 to lynch!

It's that time of the game where the pressure is really on. It's do-or-die time - make your move or gtfo. Black hurls everything it has into taking North Africa, and manages to eke out a victory. They've really spent everything they had on the attrition game, though, and hold most of their few territories with only a single soldier. It looks like they were gambling on getting a card set to recoup losses, but from the crestfallen expressions on some of the team's faces, it didn't happen. Blue easily retakes North Africa with its Egyptian forces, but doesn't bother defending their borders. They know they can't hold them - instead, it looks like they'll be making a push to wipe black out and seize their cards. Red sees the opportunity, though, and drops all of their reinforcements into the Mexican border, sweeping down into South America with a rueful shrug at the broken alliance. Fortunately (or unfortunately) black gets a run of good luck and manages to hold on to a measly single region. They're essentially screwed, but could possibly be a kingmaker. Green takes a good long look at gray, also eyeing the card stack in their possession, but decides not to overextend and instead hits Greenland...hard. They take the North American territory, breaking red's hold on the continent, and fortify the hell out of it to deny their opponent the bonus. Yellow continues its slow build in southeast Asia, devouring two more territories while keeping its forces concentrated in as few well-defended border zones as possible.

[L-9]

Elbirn -

[L-8]

MagnaofIllusion -

[L-9]

Ausuka -

[L-9]

brassherald -

[L-8]

the worst - HeWhoSwims

[L-8]

dramonic - Inferno390

[L-9]

HitAlt -

[L-4]

Skygazer - Raskolnikov, HitAlt, the worst, brassherald, Ausuka

[L-9]

Inferno390 - xyzzy

[L-9]

Chickadee -

[L-9]

xyzzy -

[L-9]

HeWhoSwims -

[L-7]

Flubbernugget - Profii, Chickadee

[L-8]

Raskolnikov - Andrius

[L-5]

Taly - Flubbernugget, MagnaofIllusion, dramonic, Elbirn

[L-9]

Andrius -

[L-9]

Profii -

Nursing their beer (Not voting)

- Skygazer, Taly

Raskolnikov is on V/LA.

Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-09 15:40:00)

[Andrius]

Taly wins this page with EVA GREEN <3

[Taly]

OK thoughts on quotes to first 9 pages

I'll date a current 9-page-in readslist after this post and then continue reading a little more later today.

Aw sweet I rolled scum! That's one down guys, climb on board!

VOTE: Elbirn

Town. This is towny.

Self-votes/scumclaims are excusable in RVS.

Elbirn

is both ballsy and would be going against his wincon with this post. I feel like scum would

love

to muddy the waters over this post versus taking the intent and motive behind this post and thinking about it.

If

Elbirn

is scum, how does this help him? As town,

Elbirn

is gauging for reactions.

Are we still in RVS?

We are? Great.
VOTE: worst

This is never a good thing for someone to ask on Page 3.

Are we still in RVS?
We are? Great.
VOTE: worst

I've got some really good news

What's the good news?

I'm not mafia this time

Believable

VOTE: No Lynch

Why?...

Inferno wins first notable goodpost award (87)

VOTE: davesz

OK you're towny here. Your previous post reads like a reaction test at the moment, even though your vote's on town.

OMGUS
VOTE: Elbirn

This whole drive on my thoughts feels very forced.
Will explain myself further, but I’m on mobile right now.

...I hate the acronym OMGUS so much but both town and scum love to use it.

What do you think about

Elbirn

now?

imo Elbirn is town and just acting dumb

Raskolnikov is scum though

VOTE: Raskolnikov

also if I'm right about Raskolnikov being scum, then inferno is town. I doubt scum buddies would immediately have an interaction like that

Ehhhh....

I agree

Elbirn

is town.

I don't know what makes you conclude to

Rask

being scum that much here.

Also what the fuck is LAMIST

It's a completely anti-town shitty buzzword that replaces actual sentiments and reasons behind thoughts, and perpetuates the notion that trying to make others believe you're towny is an inherently scum-thing to do.

It's also a perfect utility for someone to use when they want to discredit, misrep, or emphasize their convoluted reasons behind a poorly-thought-out push.

It wouldn't be such a horrible acronym if it wasn't overused so much, because scum likes to degrade people's thinking with this buzzword and I've seen them do it a lot.

It's my least favorite buzzword, and I've played games on here in 2015.

The actual

LAMIST

posts here are from Profii.

WTF

DAVE

? WE GETTIN' SCUMREAD FOR THIS.

Dw <3 I'm confbiased so I know this is a town mistake.

"Look at me I'm so town"

I was just as confused when I first saw it.

Oh I can already tell this is my least favorite new buzzword

Elbirn

is obvtown to me. I really want to know why people didn't think this earlier, and if they don't now, I want an explanation.

I think inferno flails by now if they're scum

...so...
why aren't you voting him?

A very stock answer/quote thrown in an attempt to look townie.
Such a basic thing to ask "then why aren't you voting?"
But it reveals, in fact, that dramonic didn't really read what was said, and went for the appearances instead.
VOTE: Dramonic

I like this post. I don't think

dramonic

thought about

Flub's

response here, but I don't really have a read on these 3 yet.

VOTE: Skygazer

I feel like the description of raskol's NL vote as "LAMIST" is probably the scummiest thing in the thread so far.

Ausuka

being towny.

But wait

Ausuka

, where's the wallposts and consistent engagement?

I've played with 9/16 players of this game before.
I have solid grasp of maybe three of those, and you are one of them.

Have you played with me before?

It's not the no lynch vote itself for me, it's the apparent lack of follow up to it.

I don't think a follow-up was necessary on

Rask's

NL entrance. Or at least, his inaccurate vote on this slot was plenty enough.

VOTE: No Lynch

Well this is worse than giving us yourself as scum, Elbirn. Wanna wagon your scum buddy here?

Why is this scummy to you?

The following post needs to be read in context of “RVS I suppose”

The self vote was bad - if you are scum, voting yourself is anti win con, if you are town, then we all have wifom over the slot because it could be a random gambit/reaction test but it certainly doesn’t help scum hunt

Then we had he no vote. Obviously excluding vigs, we can only kill scum via lynch so again, anti win con play

Admittedly - it moved us out of RVS

I think I’ll be looking at this Rask wagon in a bit for a serious vote, whilst it’s bad play, I’m not sure I’m calling it scummy. As much as I said to Elbirn lynch your scum buddy, I was more interested to see how he felt about the apparent counter reaction test, I’m assuming he Elbirn is town for trying that play (even though i don’t like it)

Egh... I get the sentiment behind the WIFOM, but I don't know why you're thinking

Elbirn

is scum and

Rask

being connected? If I read this correctly?

I know but I dunno how to fix it.

OK, this feels a bit genuine, but I'm going to wait a little before I make a stance.

Okay, so I’m summing up three pages worth of thoughts on mobile, so bear with

Post #118: @HWS the way I see it is that based on Elbirn’s reactions her that as scum it would be an attempt to pick a 1v1 with someone and get a bunch of early town cred through that. I’ve seen plenty of games where getting into a 1v1 and bearing down on it can cause people to take it as TvT.
Post #124 is really good and Dave gets townpoints for that.
Post #130: I agree with this, especially since that by this point my use of LAMIST has been twisted from it’s original purpose. I never called the votes themselves LAMIST. (See my note on #118.) The fact that my idea is being indirectly misinterpreted pings me highly.
Post #144 makes no sense to me. How is not posting LAMIST again?
Post #145: I’m really starting to think that Profii is missing the subtleties of this RVS.

Other notes that are not necessarily tied to any posts:
Gustavo’s lack of contribution is staring to irritate me. Seems scummy.
Everyone keeps asking where Flubbernugget thinks I flailed. I haven’t flailed yet, and isn’t that kind of his point? Based on the wording, Flubbernugget is implying that I’m not scum, not that I am scum.
I don’t like how much TW is moving around without real reasons, but maybe that’s just me.

-

I don't think

Elbirn

was trying to 1v1 as much as he was getting people to interact with him. It worked.

-

You're right about

Dave

being town here, so I'm going to continue.

-

If you use

LAMIST

at all to describe your thoughts, then you should expect to be misinterpreted.

-

I like this question.

Inferno

gives me both town and iffy-vibes, overall.

For

some

definition of not flailing.
76-80-81-88 is the least organic progression I've seen in a long time.

76 - 80 and 81 - 88

Yeah, I read through this thinking

"what is your read here again"

? I didn't quote it because I overlooked it... mostly because I couldn't get a conclusion here.

For

some

definition of not flailing.
<a href="tel:76-80-81-88" style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">76-80-81-88</a> is the least organic progression I've seen in a long time.

I’m offended
I’m sorry my train of though is too special for people who I have never played with before to understand

This is flippant.

Elbrin,

LAMIST is the cringiest acronym right before IANAL, but it's usually used more to describe what used to be called posturing than shading towntells.

I must go back to the source of these accusations and investigate

Buzzwords should all die.

Did you gain anything from this apparent investigation?

If this train of thought leads to your vote on

Dave

, then try again. I'm helping you here.

AbN is Assumption Before Narrative. Basically it means that Gustavo was calling Profii’s play scummy and then coming up with reasons for it to actually be scummy.

Do it, brass.

...I swear, if there's another buzzword used here...

Almost 9 pages already before 24 hours are up? Do you people not understand what a chill game means?

Anyway time to move my lulz playful theworst vote to scum now that we have actual scum posting.

VOTE: Flubber

I’m disappointed none of the rest of you saw the scumminess in 180. Rask coasting as scum in the first 24 hours the game is open? And hedging on Rask ( he’s not scum for this but could be scum for this other thing ) at the same time?

On other issues ..

Theworst I’m sure will make his alignment clear to me by Day 2. He was a pretty easy read as nonTown last game. Talk of policy lynching is pretty bad in regards to him.

Neither Elb or Rask are scummy for the lulz openings but hardly obvTown either.

@Rask

- why did you try to suggest my observation about Inferno was a criticism when it was an attempt to see if others would vouch for what looked like a deliberate play style and see who responded?

Ugh... Do you have any townreads here? Do you have any townreads now? Because when I read this post, I couldn't figure it out but you're not making a lot of clarity on the people you are mentioning here.

I think 4 scum, so dramonic, Flubbernugget, Gustavo, and HeWhoSwims.

If I am right, please confirm in the thread immediately.

Explain the thought here? At this point in the thread?

Has this evolved or changed?

Enough time has passed that I can't be sure if it's a true memory, but I think I've incorrectly scumread Dramonic before for posting like this.

AbN is Assumption Before Narrative. Basically it means that Gustavo was calling Profii’s play scummy and then coming up with reasons for it to actually be scummy.

Do it, brass.

Have you played mafia before?

Well this is incredibly evasive. I agree with Chickadee on 186. This is pretty flaily scum.
I’m just gonna shoot you so I can go on to hunt your buddies.

Dayvig: Gustavo

I don't like that you didn't ask a question here to confirm whether your thought was correct. I've never heard of AbN used in a mafia game before.

Plus, the dayvig, even as joke, doesn't make sense here. It just sounds like you're not trying to absolve or understand suspicion on someone.

I’m done
VOTE: Gustavo

There’s not even any defense coming from him. He’s just calling me a liar and being evasive.

I’m not being invasive and I’ve called you a liar cause as I’ve shown you have lied multiple times.

I don’t have to defend myself from lies.

Where exactly have you shown anything? And asking me if I’ve ever played Mafia before in response to me explaining my point is being evasive: You’re avoiding engaging with me because you don’t like what I’m saying.
Stop being toxic and calling names, SCUM. We don’t want any of that here.

...This has led to nowhere...

[Taly]

Reads by Page-9

Green is town. The darker the townier.

Orange

/

Yellow

is null, questioning, or uncertain. It doesn't mean

"I don't care" or "I'm not going to look"

- People like to confuse this.

Black

is no opinion atm.

Red is town. The darker the scummier.

1. Elbirn

2. MagnaofIllusion

3. Ausuka

4. brassherald

5. the worst

6. dramonic

7. HitAlt

8. Skygazer

9. Inferno390

10. Chickadee

((I bumped her because she's correct about Me/Dave-town.))

11. xyzzy

12. HeWhoSwims
13. Flubbernugget

14. Raskolnikov

15. davesaz/Taly

16. Andrius Gustavo

17. Profii

My reads are going to be more updated quicker as people actually engage with me.

[Taly]

Taly wins this page with EVA GREEN <3

She's great

Love her acting and she was amazing as

Vanessa Ives

in

Penny Dreadful

[Taly]

Also what the fuck is LAMIST

It's a completely anti-town shitty buzzword that replaces actual sentiments and reasons behind thoughts, and perpetuates the notion that trying to make others believe you're towny is an inherently scum-thing to do.

It's also a perfect utility for someone to use when they want to discredit, misrep, or emphasize their convoluted reasons behind a poorly-thought-out push.

It wouldn't be such a horrible acronym if it wasn't overused so much, because scum likes to degrade people's thinking with this buzzword and I've seen them do it a lot.

It's my least favorite buzzword, and I've played games on here in 2015.

[Chickadee]

Love her acting and she was amazing as Vanessa Ives in Penny Dreadful

omg, she was amazing.




Side note, not sure how I'm feeling about your posting so far. I feel like you've taken every chance to mention that you're town. And bumping someone because they town read you is baaaad.

[brassherald]

Side note, not sure how I'm feeling about your posting so far. I feel like you've taken every chance to mention that you're town. And bumping someone because they town read you is baaaad.

Hard agree.

Probably semi VLA this weekend by the way.

[Taly]

im confident in my alignment, plus i didnt know i was repping into a wagoned slot

i wanted people to mention that i referenced my alignment a lot

and the fact that you guys acknowlege bumping a town on someone because they townread you is not good, makes me feel more comfortable with my townreads on you

which was what i was looking for, so ty

[Inferno390]

Side note, not sure how I'm feeling about your posting so far. I feel like you've taken every chance to mention that you're town. And bumping someone because they town read you is baaaad.

Agree with this. I do think the posting and the reads are strong tho, so I’m unsure on where to place this read.

On another note, what is the bias against using “buzzwords?”

[Taly]

It's only until recently where I've played games that had town using buzzwords, especially one as bad as LAMIST

And a lot of my mislynches - mostly prior to my 2 year absence - involved cases ((usually scum)) that used buzzwords to simplify and doubtcast me

In either case, upon my return to mafia, I still usually see scum more often using buzzwords than town, and town who use buzzwords are usually wrong or become unhelpful in my experience

[Taly]

Not all buzzwords are bad, I just think most are abused, overused, or not even conceptually good/pro-town buzzwords in the first place