NY 213 - Game Over!

[Golden Robster]

deadline has been extended

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #33

Performer (8) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Kublai Khan (957), Wavemode (1108), Vaxkiller (1116), Lalendra (1229), Osuka (1384), ArcAngel9 (1397), Hopkirk (1458)

Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (0) -
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Ausuka (0) -
Lalendra (0) -
Frozen Angel (0) -
JarJarDrinks (2) - Myloninja13 (326), Andriod18 (855)
Osuka (2) - Pine (176),

TheRampage

PenguinPower (681)
Andriod18 (3) - JarJarDrinks (1410), Creature (1449), Almost50 (1460)
Texcat (1) - Dunnstral (1388)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -

Wavemode (5) - Ausuka (998),

Davesaz

Frozen Angel (1014), Performer (1051), Texcat (1080), Gamma Emerald (1107)

PenguinPower (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (955)
Not Voting (3) - Flavor Leaf, Scioness Sajj (1325), Golden Robster (1544)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on July 1, 2018 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-01 16:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Moderator is V/LA July 1 and July 4.

As a general reminder, you should treat other peoples like you would like to be treated. Please avoid being toxic and disrespectful to one another.

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.
Andriod18 V/LA until Saturday, June 30.
Frozen Angel replaces Davesaz.
Deadline extended to July 1, 2018 4:00 PM EDT.
As a general reminder, if you are regularly V/LA on the weekends, you must either set V/LA tags each weekend or post in-thread that you'll be V/LA over the weekend

each weekend

so that both I and other players can keep track of it easily.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77) --> Texcat (1388)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) --> Performer (898) --> Andriod18 (1449)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725) --> Performer (957)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) --> Performer (1273) --> (Null) (1315) --> Performer (1458)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107)

Ausuka

: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559) --> Performer (1229)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771) --> Performer (1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) --> Performer (1384)
Texcat: Osuka (79) --> Wavemode (1080)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) --> Performer (1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) --> Performer (1116)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867) --> Performer (1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj:

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

[Scioness Sajj]

lynch lynch lynch
VOTE: performer
l-4

[Vaxkiller]

Nervous?

About what?

About FA coming in a sorting ppl out!

[Myloninja13]

VOTE: Performer

[Frozen Angel]

I'm awake! Let me eat some breakfast and sort real life stuff real quick I'll read the rest of this!

[Frozen Angel]

You missed me

don't have you because you haven't done anything to enter my radar

This has lowkey w-w closure.

I like EspeciallyTheLies caring for Hopkrik town reads

Gamma fixtating and questioning Hopkrik and kinda ignoring anything else doesn't really sit well with me. Actually he asks others some quetsions not trying to make any conclusions or use them so far though.

[Frozen Angel]

hopkirk has too many townreads.

Very much no. Pay attention to what the list says.

Yeah well stuff like this, the comment about creature, the one about day chat. these are mostly IOA or just questions that are not for alignment hunting - didn't lead to any conclusions or anything. Kinda alarming for now

@wheme you’re 100% right, vax replaced into screen, I replaced into the charles slot. My questions to you - why did you keep your naked vote on me since pg 1,

and why did you invite me to your neighborhood?

You are also one of my scumreads.

Bonus question: spot the truth.

What I am so lost

If I'm remembering right these two are neighbors yeah? This is really weird to see these posts from neighbors. Are they using neighborhood at all?

I actually scumread wheme more here cause of the way he responded to this.

[Frozen Angel]

@wheme you’re 100% right, vax replaced into screen, I replaced into the charles slot.

That's not what it says on the front page though.

yeah his derp sounds really fake.

am i the only one who feels like day 1 of this doesn't matter

or day 2 or 3 for that matter

i'll sheep whatever almost50 wants since im pretty sure he's town

no i don't have any solid reads because that would imply i've been reading this god-forsaken early game

This is an awful town mentality. see as the town we must keep the game as hype as we can! always sorting - so others can see the way we do stuff and sort us in return as well. if we just holster and let others do the job, they will fail as well and we will all lose together. I remember this was an issue on ms a year ago as well.

[Frozen Angel]

I strongly agree with gamma's stance on vax, as well as his clear & concise reasoning, proactive approach, and lines of inquiry - such as against golden for defending edosurist.
I can see gamma's posts coming from town.
off topic: brilliant signature regarding always having hope, by the way.

This is pockety in an alarming way

Hm. Despite the substandard reply, his tr were hop & a50, so I could see wheme possibly being town....but need to see more.

This reaction to wheme saying he is lost to the neighborizer comment is so off topic and not linked. This read is likely fake.

i still think you're town but some of your questions feel pretty useless gamma; might just be a playstyle thing but yeah

deffensive reaction feels off. If they were feeling useless why you didn't mention them before? if the recent ones - that he asked from you were useless then why you don't ask him where is he going with it?

[Frozen Angel]

Feel pretty confident there's 0 scum in {perf, a50, hopkirk} but idk how to explain that to you. I played with perf on my old account as both scum and town and I don't think I ever read him incorrectly, but he's massive mislynch bait in general, partially because his tone is awkward and unnatural to most people? I don't know exactly. Join me on Rampage? I feel like he's likely scum jumping on your wagon.

I can see performer being a mislynch bait cause he was the topic all day and stuff but I there is more than tone about their play that is eh rn

I was ready to vote Osuka, but I really liked his catch-up. It's been a while since I've played a game this large and while I'm still trying to sort the people who have posted, it feels like we have a LOT of people who aren't doing enough for me to read them. Whether that's intentional or not is hard to say at this stage.

this is towny self backtrack

osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

Why does that mean he can't be scum?

I don't like either comment from the scum hunting standpoint. Also dunn comment is "distant" in an alarming way here.

[Kublai Khan]

wavemode is the neighbor, not Whemestar.

[Frozen Angel]

SO what was performer "and why did you invite me to your neighborhood?"?

[Frozen Angel]

OH if it's a derp confusing who his neighbor was (which is only possible if they didn't use neighborhood chat a lot @Asuka) that means performer is not scum with either wave or whem

[Frozen Angel]

+ doesn't look like he's trying to set up good associatives either.

Teach me how u one can figure this out on day one w/ no flips. How would scum go about setting up good associatives?

By fighting and distancing with one another. Scum do this. He seems more concerned with lynching scum in general than making people look good with his flip.

VOTE: Ausuka
- Osuka and I have been all over eachother for a good part of the game.
- Ausuka supposedly scumreads me.

Read what's quoted and tell me how what Ausuka is saying makes any sense.

This jump after KK mentioning Asuka without mentioning KK point is alarming

osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

Why does that mean he can't be scum?

Mostly because he's been made out to be a lot more scummy than he really is.

What does him being "made out to be a lot more scummy than he really is" have to do with him being a topic of the game for so long?

You didnt say U dont think it'll flip scum cuz u dont like any of the scum points against him. You said that the reason is because "he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing".

791 sounds like straight bullshit.

this post is stupid

i've been the topic of the game for as long as i have

because

youve made bullshit points and got a wagon going

This reads like a TvT in first glance

[Frozen Angel]

question is why no one questioned the neighborizer comment performer asked from wheme xd

[Frozen Angel]

performer missing wave in his elaborated read list and not talking about neighbroizer - it looks like he wants people to forget about what he said there

[Frozen Angel]

wavemode naked voted osuka, voted texcat (my tr), voted the charles slot due to him asking a game setup question (scummy reason to vote someone), did a prodge post, continued lurking, popped up to vote osuka after osuka’s wagon analysis. Definitely suspect line of actions from wavemode, can’t see that coming from town.

wheme, mylon - for lurking and/or low content (fluff). As I stated in my opening post, it’s not wise to let folks like that slide by (handing them a free pass). On a related note, fairly certain at least 1 of scum is lurking in some way. Also, they made plenty of bare posts that had no elaboration.

this

this is such a backtrack from that out of character townread few pages ago makes the read - look fake.

[Frozen Angel]

There aren't so much time till eod can you guys put your vote and give me the hammer so I can use the time to catchup?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm neighbours with Performer and wavemode. I'm confident wave is scum and once we lynch him and he flips red me and performer can function as masons.

there can be 0 1 or 2 scum in neighborhood, that's not how it works

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as I see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

This is a false dilemma

Confirming ausuka’s statement, I’m indeed in a neighborhood with wave & ausuka. I even did a really cool breadcrumb to someone earlier in the game, as a reaction test with mixed-in breadcrumb. Interesting that gamma was the only one pointing it out.

Ok as much as ewww it is I like the way he mentioned what he did earlier here xd

[Frozen Angel]

performer wagon is great

eh

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as i see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

I mean there's a wagon on you -_-
But I agree we do need other wagons given proximity to day end plus I feel fine with what I've gotten out of today so
VOTE: wavemode

agreed VOTE: performer

I don't like this developement in thread and I can't get anything AI out of it - beside noting who is voting who for now.

[Frozen Angel]

Ausuka and Gamma (and maybe somebody else idr)are scum reading Flavour of meta but nobody voted? what's up with that?

This - jumping in the middle of the convo to comment on something else entirely without saying anything about the wagons that are being currently discussed is scummy.

Why is this wavemode wagon a thing?

very snarky comment

Like maybe Wave would be super scummy too if he actually posted. Performer has literally TEN TIMES the number of posts Wave does.

Lynching the top poster while allowing lurksacks to sit around and do jack shit is how you create a shitty atmosphere that scum can thrive in.

Like why would scum post knowing that posting gets you hanged?

really bad anlysis.

[Frozen Angel]

somebody find the rerun of The Real Folks Blues modded by Firebringer and Frozen Angel

It was based on my design / blue prints and was ran by Radiantcowbells and Firebringer not me.

[Frozen Angel]

read on wavemode changed when I looked at his ISO and thought "oh he's scummier than I thought"

That is a pointless answer.

WHAT SPECIFICALLY

was it about his posts that made you think: "Oh, only someone with a mafia PM would post this way".

The things that made me think he is the best vote are
a) Scum are likely to lurk out and try and avoid attention in every game, but especially this game I think unless their playstyle just totally contradicts to that- there are 25 players and town are likely to find some townie they want to mislynch in the early game if scum keep quiet. Obviously WM isn't the only quiet player but he does fit this description.
b) I think that he is an example of a player who is more motivated and less apathetic as town than scum and more so than any other lurker so far.
c) He refused to engage in the hood as well and I think town who were feeling apathetic would probably at least try to engage in that private enviroment.
d) he came up with his policy of "d1 lynch will be on town so let's not do anything" when he had already started lurking in the early game.
e) He basically claims that his lurking is just because the game is large and 25p and 25ps are terrible but if he feels that way I have no idea why he signed up for this 25-player game. Like, even if you find the late game to be immensely interesting, you just replace into the game. We all know a 25-player game is going to have several replacements.
f) he jumps on the osuka and performer wagons which might not be convincing to a lot of people but it factors into my read because I townread both of those players and it feels like he's trying to put fuel on the fire for those wagons.
g) I overall feel like his lurking and actions are the most likely to come from scum, jumping onto town wagons to avoid a lynch and trying to avoid attention.

I'd also like to note that if anything the performer wagon feels like a counter to wave? Like, I'm not getting the argument that with some wagons existing previously, scum decided to suddenly bring up Wave as a counter to Performer, because Perf reached... three votes in a 25-player game?

All your points are saying "he is lurking" - " he is not engaging" - " he isn't doing anything" etc it didn't need an a to g

I kindda agree I think?

But the last bit is wrong performer and wave wagon kinda coexisted simultaneously - performer wagon started earlier in a sense but became serious when you outed neighborhood. I think this is the false dilemma making people voting them not that they are counter wagons to each other which makes a VCA here useless.

[Frozen Angel]

^pedit: say WHAT! Yes she IS town! Hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

EWWW