Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[the worst]

Why aren't you townreading the worst anymore, EP?

^ this is a good question--why were you townreading me in the first place?

[Irrelephant11]

Duck, I've stated my thoughts on him multiple times, and I am not really seeing the lack of spirit that everyone else seems to see. I don't think he's played like he did when he was scum though this fade is a little weird, but I think it's entirely plausible that this game may have slipped his mind. I also see him as town based off something that I don't really want to talk about

Can you give a strength of this mysterious townread
Like how much should I sheep you

[Irrelephant11]

I have a very similar scumtell (every post I make has a screaming subtext of "GET ME OUT OF HEEREE")

just for good measure, do you have offsite scumgames you're able to link at all?

This is kinda exactly how you’re coming across (“get me out of heeree”)

[brassherald]

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."

Votecount 1.15

Gamma Emerald(5)

~ Mathdino, Bernie Sanders, Shoshin, Not_Mafia, Gustavo

Bernie Sanders(2)

~ Keyser Söze, Momrangal

Momrangal(2)

~ skitter30, Nauci

the worst(1)

~ Gamma Emerald


Not Voting (2): Errantparabola, the worst, Irrelephant11

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-04 17:10:00)

[the worst]

I have a very similar scumtell (every post I make has a screaming subtext of "GET ME OUT OF HEEREE")

just for good measure, do you have offsite scumgames you're able to link at all?

This is kinda exactly how you’re coming across (“get me out of heeree”)

oh, I'm sorry you can't toneread me

[Irrelephant11]

K I’m fine with a Gamma lynch. He’s gotten worse under pressure and my reason for ever having a townread will either be proven or disproven before the lynch goes through. He definitely hasn’t been super helpful, and in his last dozen/two dozen posts he fees less like town trying to help make his own lynch worthwhile and more like scum trying to hide associatives

Intent to hammer in like 24 hours if the worst does L-1 at some point

I think Not_Mafia, the worst, Skitter, and Nauci deserve closer looks and would consider voting one of them but I don’t have enough of a clear read on any of them to change this up

Pedit: i mean fair

[Irrelephant11]

24 hours is flexible based on if any of math, notmaf, or errant want time to contribute more
Or if multiple people think that’s too soon

[brassherald]

Mathdino and Bernie Sanders have both been prodded, this is their first prod.

[the worst]

I'm more or less caught up and actually feel reasonably comfortable with myself in the current gamestate so I'll be around for more readable content. :>

[Nauci]

Okay so I felt like all of the little side comments and whatever I had to contribute weren't super useful and I was bogging down the thread so I took some time off and made this instead. I struggle really badly with keeping mental track of vote record and therefore VCA so I thought this might help everyone. I went through the whole thread 3x so I think it's accurate.

@Brass: Do you want the google doc for this? It's auto generated after vote info input.

UNOFFICIAL Votecount Record

Gamma Emerald (5) -

Nauci #102

,

Mathdino

#734[/size],

Bernie Sanders

#841[/size],

Shoshin

#1162[/size],

Invisibility/Not_Mafia

#1163[/size],

stungun0404/Gustavo #1189

,

stungun0404/Gustavo

#1199[/size],

GeminiTwin12/the worst #1300

Bernie Sanders (2) -

Keyser Soze

#1252[/size],

Irrelephant11 #1254

,

Momrangal

#1270[/size]

Momrangal (2) -

northsidegal/Errantparabola #97

,

GeminiTwin12/the worst #315

,

skitter30 #427

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #428

,

skitter30

#1070[/size],

Nauci

#1079[/size]

GeminiTwin12/the worst (1) -

Invisibility/Not_Mafia #169

,

skitter30 #527

,

Bernie Sanders #633

,

Nauci #675

,

Gamma Emerald

#1294[/size]

Mathdino -

stungun0404/Gustavo #12

,

Shoshin #13

,

Bernie Sanders #323

Nauci -

Mathdino #189

,

Shoshin #191

,

Irrelephant11 #473

,

Momrangal #799

,

GeminiTwin12/the worst #801

Irrelephant11 -

Nauci #9

,

Nauci #704

,

skitter30 #741

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #788

skitter30 -

Irrelephant11 #85

,

Keyser Soze #219

,

Irrelephant11 #222

,

Irrelephant11 #423

,

Momrangal #502

Shoshin -

skitter30 #15

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #970

Invisibility/Not_Mafia -

Momrangal #51

,

Bernie Sanders #142

stungun0404/Gustavo -

Shoshin #96

,

Irrelephant11 #99

,

Bernie Sanders #133

,

Shoshin #965

,

Gamma Emerald #1140

northsidegal/Errantparabola -

stungun0404/Gustavo #170

Keyser Soze -

GeminiTwin12/the worst #227

,

Irrelephant11 #421

UNVOTE (3) -

stungun0404/Gustavo #136

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #569

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #828

,

Keyser Soze #851

,

Irrelephant11 #900

,

Shoshin #999

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #1191

,

northsidegal/Errantparabola

#1193[/size],

GeminiTwin12/the worst

#1303[/size],

Irrelephant11

#1315[/size]

VOTE RECORD BY PLAYER

Gamma Emerald

-

stungun0404/Gustavo #1140

,

GeminiTwin12/the worst

#1294

Bernie Sanders

-

stungun0404/Gustavo #133

,

Invisibility/Not_Mafia #142

,

Mathdino #323

,

GeminiTwin12/the worst #633

,

Gamma Emerald

#841

Momrangal

-

Invisibility/Not_Mafia #51

,

skitter30 #502

,

Nauci #799

,

Bernie Sanders

#1270

GeminiTwin12/the worst

-

Keyser Soze #227

,

Momrangal #315

,

Nauci #801

,

Gamma Emerald #1300

,

UNVOTE

#1303

Mathdino

-

Bernie Sanders #7

,

Nauci #189

,

Gamma Emerald

#734

Nauci

-

Bernie Sanders #8

,

Irrelephant11 #9

,

Gamma Emerald #102

,

GeminiTwin12/the worst #675

,

Irrelephant11 #704

,

Momrangal

#1079

Irrelephant11

-

skitter30 #85

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #99

,

skitter30 #222

,

Keyser Soze #421

,

skitter30 #423

,

Nauci #473

,

UNVOTE #900

,

Bernie Sanders #1254

,

UNVOTE

#1315

skitter30

-

Shoshin #15

,

Momrangal #427

,

GeminiTwin12/the worst #527

,

Irrelephant11 #741

,

Momrangal

#1070

Shoshin

-

Mathdino #13

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #96

,

Nauci #191

,

stungun0404/Gustavo #965

,

UNVOTE #999

,

Gamma Emerald

#1162

Invisibility/Not_Mafia

-

GeminiTwin12/the worst #169

,

Gamma Emerald

#1163

stungun0404/Gustavo

-

UNVOTE #136

,

northsidegal/Errantparabola #170

,

Momrangal #428

,

UNVOTE #569

,

Irrelephant11 #788

,

UNVOTE #828

,

Shoshin #970

,

Gamma Emerald #1189

,

UNVOTE #1191

,

Gamma Emerald

#1199

northsidegal/Errantparabola

-

Momrangal #97

,

UNVOTE

#1193

Keyser Soze

-

skitter30 #219

,

UNVOTE #851

,

Bernie Sanders

#1252

Okay I realize that deadline is coming up fast, but I basically have 2% as much time on my hands because bootcamp is starting so I'm going to be curt from now on.

[Shoshin]

We still have plenty of time before deadline. Thanks for the votes, Nauci. It's pretty helpful.

[Nauci]

Woo I'm glad 3 hours of obsessive Google Sheetsing was helpful

Quick notes:

-Dislike Gus calling for early end of day w/ so many people not posting
-Gamma we can't just keep playing the "I don't think you've made many town posts if at all" vs "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WHY ISN'T THERE ENOUGH WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME" game because that's definitely not town posting
-Gamma's questions post felt like pretty surface level questions idk
-Irrelephant sorry I missed the earlier question; I realize that we were out of RVS pretty quickly but I didn't recall anything particularly meaty happening for a few more pages (I didn't think Shosh/Math interaction was meaningful, but the fallout from it was), but 5 was just an approximation.

I need to find time for an ISO but I just haven't gotten the town vibes from momrangal that apparently over half the game has gotten. Can anyone explain their gut feel? I've read some of the individual posts about it but haven't felt convinced at all and am sad that we haven't wanted to explore that at all. I think there's enough room left in the game to pressure a couple of other people.

Also going to set aside time to look at the vote stuff I assembled and see if anything jumps out at me as a result of it. I was too focused on putting it together to actually parse it but no time yet :/

[Shoshin]

I don't mind pressuring others but I'd lynch Gamma before I ever lynch Mom because if Mom's scum I think she'd have voted town Gamma already.

[skitter30]

i feel like her defense of tw may have been a white-knight; it doesn't really feel sincere to me; it feels kinda self-righteous.

i don't think these are strong reasons to townread her

Her low activity seems tied to real life, not alignment (or at least she’s said so once or twice)
And her associatives leave me with no real scumteams that make sense to me? So I’d really have to be misreading someone else for her to be scum I think
ISO does leave much to be desired though so I get the scumread

her activity has nothing to do with my read on her

i think that not scumreading someone on the basis of there being a paucity of partners day1 preflips is silly.

further i think she can be scum on associatives (barring my read on the other person) with literally everyone except tw; there isn't really anything ruling out any of those scumteams imo

i've seen literally not reason to townread her, and several reasons to scumread her

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i don't really understand the bernie wagon tbh

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this post is gross and fence-sitty. 'gamma is not town, and makes sense as scum but at the same time something doesn't feel right' - like what does this even mean?

Guess it means I'm scum getting cold feet from a Gamma!bus

Realtalk tho, you're pulling this out of context

ok, what am i pulling out of context?

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Town or vague town or at least one concrete reason for town: the worst

ok, why the duckling?

I think there's definitely something scummy about how skitter dances around her scumreads but I think it's in line with what i've seen from her, playstyle wise. More on this if necessary but that's where I'm at there.

oh? i don't think i dance around with my scumreads, would be interested in hearing you say why you think that

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Let’s lynch Gamma and end this day already

do you think shoshin and gamma are scum together, y/n?

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Let’s lynch Gamma and end this day already

How about let's not just yet
the fact that the game suddenly stalled is really fucking questionable

right, that's what's bothering me i think.

it feels too complacent; some of the votes on you have been there since like ~200's and there's a lot of people who just haven't been posting.

it doesn't feel right to me right now.

(aside, i'm regularly v/la on weekends)

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super interested in why you think this, the nullness of my read on Nauci is like. nibbling at the back of my skull.

it was 1146; it exhibits a level of nuance that i think usually doesn't coem from scum. it's not a super hard townread, but enough to take her out of my lynchpool for day1

what part of the wagon composition is bugging you? note for myself to reconsider this.

it feels very ... complacent to me, i geuss is a good word? math's been on there for like a week, i only townread two people on it (shoshin + bernie, i guess provisionally gustavo too), it feels like it's inevitable almost? there's like nobody complaining about it except me and it just ... doesn't feel right to me.

like basically all the active people support it and half the wagon is comprised of inactive people (bernie, nm) and/or people who don't really understand the current gamestate (math, nm), and one person on it is pushing it despite the fact that his biggest scumread is on it (gustavo) and i've asked him to talk more about it like twice now and he hasn't responded to that, which makes me doubt his ability to understand wagonomics.

like it just doesn't feel like a good wagon to me. like the only vote that i don't particularly have a problem with is shoshin's.

like it just feels like a compromise by people who i don't think have the knowledge required to make that decision, if that makes sense.

he's been low site activity recently but scum!Dino consistently plays with a greater agenda. like if Math is scum here I don't see what he's doing.

i mean, given that he's literally sitewide inactive, idk why you're attributing the lack of this greater agenda to towniness and not to 'not having time for this game right now'-ness

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No longer townreading worst.

why?

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ftr I really need to talk to Skitter rn

i am around for a bit now

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24 hours is flexible based on if any of math, notmaf, or errant want time to contribute more
Or if multiple people think that’s too soon

i absolutely do not want the day to end before math and/or bernie returns if possible

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I don't mind pressuring others but I'd lynch Gamma before I ever lynch Mom because if Mom's scum I think she'd have voted town Gamma already.

why do you think that?

[the worst]

hmm I kinda get what you mean. it's definitely stalled and taken too long but I still feel like it's a solid and well intended wagon. :/

[skitter30]

i will prob be v/la tomorrow; may or may not post but i will def be back on monday

[skitter30]

hmm I kinda get what you mean. it's definitely stalled and taken too long but I still feel like it's a solid and well intended wagon. :/

it really doesn't feel right to me

[skitter30]

duckling if i'm town adn your'e scum how do you interact with me?

[the worst]

uhh haven't really thought about it
you're not very pocketable so probably just sheep you

[skitter30]

you're not feeling very town to me right now either tbh

i townread like ~4 people and the rest of the game is scummy or inactive or idk how to read

[the worst]

I'm town if that helps at all

[Gustavo]

Dislike Gus calling for early end of day w/ so many people not posting

But

Okay I realize that deadline is coming up fast,

This is happening and the fact people aren’t posting is exactly the reason. I don’t see an alternative happening and this is a viable option.

[skitter30]

do you think shoshin and gamma are scum together, y/n?

@gustavo for like the third time

[skitter30]

I'm town if that helps at all

no, that really doesn't

[the worst]

I have an opinion if it's worth anything