SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Espeonage]

Ok, I am so sorry. I had one of those so not busy weekends that you boot up civ then realise it's been two days and it's 2am and you have work in 8 hours.

[Taly]

and this is where the playerlist forms a vig-circle

[Commander Shepard]

I am afk today and tomorrow y’all. Really need to lynch Shoshin here.

y?

Their Unvote of PP makes 0 sense.

It’s like someone told them the earth is the third rock from the sun so PP is town.

[Shoshin]

I never said PP is town.

[Taly]

3*, 4, 6, 7, 8*, 10*, 12*

I'm going to feel so shitty if I lynch

Sho

or

Shep

and they flip town, but a flip on one of them will give a lot of clarity...

Actually

What if

Sho

and

Shep

were copped?

[Commander Shepard]

So why would one post destroy your entire scumread on PP? And if it did why focus exclusively on someone to the exclusion of all others if your case is that bad?

Look at these questions, MWNN. How are these not evidence that Sheperd is pre-inclined to read me as scum?

I just think there's a big difference between misrepresenting something and being mistaken. I don't think there is enough in that one post to make the leap to misrepresentation and lynch him based on it.

I understand what you're saying but my point is that he's specifically emphasizing certain things I've said while ignoring others, which to me is more than just a mistake or misinterpretation, it's manipulative. Sheperd's a pretty bright guy, after all. I find it hard to believe that he ignores the reason I unvoted - to keep PP from being lynched while I reevaluate - to push the idea that I suddenly townread PP. I also find it hard to believe that he'd scumread me for that turn because if anything it's a town-tell - why would scum me stop voting PP there when I could easily let that lynch happen?

You’re making the same arguments

I

did as scum.

You’ve never seen me as town.

I can think of a few reasons you stop the PP lynch from most to least likely.

1) It’s a double bus and it is an excuse. (Especially true in one or both of the cop/invest is telling the truth)
2) It’s a mislynch and you don’t wanna be called out on your shit making you an important PR role.
3) You haven’t been/suck at scum so you’re freaking out about me suspecting you since I have seen your recent town meta. And you’re doing things different.

[Commander Shepard]

3*, 4, 6, 7, 8*, 10*, 12*

I'm going to feel so shitty if I lynch

Sho

or

Shep

and they flip town, but a flip on one of them will give a lot of clarity...

Actually

What if

Sho

and

Shep

were copped?

Fuck yeah. I would be down for that.

[Shoshin]

You’ve never seen me as town.

Yeah I have. I've read your games and I've played with you as town.

[Commander Shepard]

So why would one post destroy your entire scumread on PP? And if it did why focus exclusively on someone to the exclusion of all others if your case is that bad?

Look at these questions, MWNN. How are these not evidence that Sheperd is pre-inclined to read me as scum?

Lol asking why you do something doesn’t preincline me to jack.

This can die.

Unload my assault rifle of all its thermal clips into Shoshin

(EDI: Error again you have no thermal clips)

Well shiiiit

[Commander Shepard]

You’ve never seen me as town.

Yeah I have. I've read your games and I've played with you as town.

Calling bullshit on that or you wouldn’t have needed my games in the newbie because you coulda done that yourself.

#memoryFail

Gotta go peace out.

[Shoshin]

Yeah, and I read your games in the Newbie before you ever replaced into this.

[Shoshin]

Shepard's pushing a mislynch.

[Shoshin]

And he's "misinterpreting" the evidence to do so.

[Taly]

The more I think of it

I think the

Sho/Shep

cop-results would break the game wide open.

We just need the 2 cops -

Fire/Maria

to publicly voice which of

Sho/Shep

that they're going to cop.

So town will have evidence of a liar, or, confirmation of an actual cop based off results - NK and investigative.

If all of

Fire/Maria/Sho/Shep

are town, I don't know why they'd be opposed to this.

It doesn't take a lot of in-depth thinking to see my view here.

UNVOTE:

I don't know about the

PP

lynch at the moment...

I could go for

DV

, his flip would give info.

[Shoshin]

Taly, why are you lynching for info? We should be lynching the person most likely to flip scum. Info will follow regardless of the lynch.

[Taly]

DV

is my scumread though. It's based off PoE a good bit, but it's not for info solely.

[Shoshin]

Taly, do you think that Shepard misinterpreted my posts?

[Taly]

Probably - I'll need to reread the past few pages for comprehension, but that's not convincing enough to say he's scum.

[Taly]

Am I the only person that's thinking

Sho/Shep

are fighting

Fire/Maria's

battle?

Fire/Maria

shouldn't even be voted or lynched at all right now because of their claims.

But it makes no sense that

Fire/Maria

say the other's fakeclaiming but not really voting each other, or asserting themselves against the other. If they really do believe the other person is faking cop, isn't that virtually a scum counterclaim to them? I mean, why else would they say the other's fakeclaiming then?

Their game doesn't look consistent to their reads?

I mean, I'm not even saying

Fire/Maria

can't BOTH be town cops, but they're not working in a manner very conducive to their opinions right now. I can understand as a town cop - that they want their own lynch so they can do their own mode of gamesolving... but it's not cohesive, and I don't know if it's trying to be.

And I can see how

Sho/Shep

agree on

Fire/Maria

not being very towny outside their claims, but I don't know why they're 1v1ing each other so hard?

Like what the fuck is this?

[Taly]

I can't be the only person that's thought this.

[Shoshin]

Probably - I'll need to reread the past few pages for comprehension, but that's not convincing enough to say he's scum.

Why's he misinterpreting my posts if he's town?

There's more than enough to say he's scum. It's the misinterpretation plus the fact that Shepard likes playing with me as town so he wouldn't have been inclined to misinterpret, plus the fact that he's scum by poe, plus the fact that he's skirting around the issue of PP's alignment (first he says PP is scum because of my case, then he says PP is scum only if I'm scum?).

Shepard is really good as scum so you can't clear him because he sounds a bit town, you need to look at precisely what he's doing, who he's defending, who he's attacking, and how he's reading the game.

He entered the game defending PP by voting Fire. But then he says PP is probably scum because of my case, but instead of ever voting PP, he votes me because I unvoted PP. Then he says PP isn't scum unless I'm scum. His logic lacks any internal consistency. How is PP scum for behaviors until the point where I unvote, after which PP is scum only if I'm scum?

[Commander Shepard]

Am I the only person that's thinking

Sho/Shep

are fighting

Fire/Maria's

battle?

Fire/Maria

shouldn't even be voted or lynched at all right now because of their claims.

But it makes no sense that

Fire/Maria

say the other's fakeclaiming but not really voting each other, or asserting themselves against the other. If they really do believe the other person is faking cop, isn't that virtually a scum counterclaim to them? I mean, why else would they say the other's fakeclaiming then?

Their game doesn't look consistent to their reads?

I mean, I'm not even saying

Fire/Maria

can't BOTH be town cops, but they're not working in a manner very conducive to their opinions right now. I can understand as a town cop - that they want their own lynch so they can do their own mode of gamesolving... but it's not cohesive, and I don't know if it's trying to be.

And I can see how

Sho/Shep

agree on

Fire/Maria

not being very towny outside their claims, but I don't know why they're 1v1ing each other so hard?

Like what the fuck is this?

You mean like I have been asking constantly about Maria and Fire and never gotten an answer from Maria why the fuck her vote is on me instead?

Because Shoshin as town is logical. I demonstrated their flawed logic and I am “misinterpreting” and they don’t say how and they don’t say what just that I am.

It’s the last gasp of a cornered scum.

Pedit I really gotta go will read Shoshin’s posts later

[Shoshin]

Shepard, you are misinterpreting my unvote to mean that PP is town when I never said that. I still think PP is scummy.

[Taly]

I don't think scum's instant reaction to being copped would be

"fuck yeah"

Sho

, unless in this situation, we definitively have a scum claiming cop as well and they're buddies - but that's stretchy, WIFOMy, waffle-y, and I'm not even close to entertaining that right now when overnight results can greatly help resolve this.

P-Edit

If you and

Sho

were copped and neither of you were lynched today - who do you think would be a good vote?

I recommend you reread

Sho, CS

If you come back and still feel

Sho

needs rope rn, then can you tell me who the 2nd person who should be copped is? If you'd want that to be voiced?

[Shoshin]

Taly, you obviously don't understand how Shepard plays as scum. His response to being copped as scum would in almost all cases be "fuck yeah," because that's how he plays as scum.