NY 213 - Game Over!

[Frozen Angel]

Performer is a better lynch that android because:

- performer actually did scummy things and not just his town that is widely being meta cased
- android was lurking but did things that were ok imo
- I don't understand any thing about the android wagon. its just a wagon that was formed based on nothing over other lurkers who were actually scummy?

However I look at this android is either a counterwagon to an actual scum performer or scums just don't care who they wanna lynch and thats why people shift on the two this easily.

[Frozen Angel]

Also I actually liked flavor post about dunn. it had this spark of solving and thoughtfulness. slight town read there for now.

[wavemode]

wave who was the main topic all day and disappeared now that it's decision time.

word of advice i think people who use activity levels as their argument probably should not be skimming the thread...

[wavemode]

2nd word of advice is i'm reading "i dont like how this wagon formed" on like every page of this game

YOU WILL NEVER LIKE HOW THE WAGON FORMED IN A 25P

"wow this wagon is scummy 10 people just voted out of nowhere"

THAT'S HOW LYNCHES HAPPEN

eveyone wants to eat the sausage but is queasy about how the sausage is made

if a wagon is so bad you can do VCA after the flip rather than making assumptions beforehand

anywho, i still prefer performer to android

[Dunnstral]

I don't want to eat the sausage

[Frozen Angel]

1. I joined the game page 67 or something. if you expect me to do anything more than a skim on pages I missed then I have to respond with a lol nice joke

But I think I read well enough whats your point? I'm not using activity level as my argument. thats what other people are using to lynch android rn

2. I think we should adopt plurality lynches in MS but thats another topic.

a wagon can totally happen in day 1 with 25 people - even on ms - that doesn't weird me out and has some thoughts behind of it. XD I used to play games on ms till a year ago. It just needs players to be more transparent and don't throw votes for the sake of it?

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #39

Performer (11) (L-2) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Kublai Khan (957), Wavemode (1108), Vaxkiller (1116), Lalendra (1229), Osuka (1384), ArcAngel9 (1397), PenguinPower (1774), Dunnstral (1782), Andriod18 (1796), Frozen Angel (1814)

Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (0) -
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Ausuka (0) -
Lalendra (0) -
Frozen Angel (0) -
JarJarDrinks (0) -
Osuka (1) - Pine (176)

Andriod18 (11) (L-2) - JarJarDrinks (1410), Creature (1449), Almost50 (1460), Hopkirk (1679), Ausuka (1680), Gamma Emerald (1711), Scioness Sajj (1760), Performer (1765), Flavor Leaf (1772), Texcat, Myloninja13 (1787)

Texcat (0) -
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -
Wavemode (0) -
PenguinPower (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (955)
Not Voting (1) - Golden Robster (1798)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on July 1, 2018 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-01 16:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Moderator is V/LA July 4.

Thanks, Frozen Angel.

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.
As a general reminder, if you are regularly V/LA on the weekends, you must either set V/LA tags each weekend or post in-thread that you'll be V/LA over the weekend

each weekend

so that both I and other players can keep track of it easily.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) --> Osuka (1758) --> Performer (1782)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Performer: Osuka (623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) --> Performer (898) --> Andriod18 (1449)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725) --> Performer (957)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) --> Performer (1273) --> (Null) (1315) --> Performer (1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711)

Ausuka

: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) --> Performer (1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559) --> Performer (1229)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel: Performer (1579) --> (Null) (1606) --> Performer (1814)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771) --> Performer (1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) --> Performer (1384)
Texcat: Osuka (79) --> Wavemode (1080) --> Osuka (1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) --> Performer (1796)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) --> Performer (1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) --> Performer (1116)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867) --> Performer (1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
PenguinPower: Performer (1774)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) --> Performer (1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj:

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) --> Performer (1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf: Andriod18 (1772)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

[wavemode]

I'm not using activity level as my argument

saying you prefer to lynch someone because they disappeared sort of is doing that though? although it depends on how you look at it

whats your point?

my point was you made a comment that i had disappeared when i had just posted an hour or so beforehand

[Frozen Angel]

oh, you posted a few posts in past few pages. I kinda missed them cause I was focused to understand Android wagon. Thing is I'm reading those posts and they just are passive commenting about stuff. Thing is I use this term instead of lurking for players who play like you - "no entity players" as they post nothing you can sort them with cause they stay distant from main fights and conversations.

The thing about that backtrack that you mentioned is that scums post their backtracks if they have an agenda like when they decide to enforce something in game (like lynching a counter wagon) or when they feel they wanna show it to others. Your backtracks felt really fast and forced like you didn't have any thought process behind changing your heart there which suggests - having scum agenda or just don't caring about the game

which makes it really hard for me to form an opinion on you.

[Frozen Angel]

But yeah sorry I forgot those posts when I made the comment about you disappearing.

[Pine]

Deadline is hours away and I'm on what amounts to a vanity wagon.

I am admittedly way behind and have nothing specific against Android, but he's a better lynch than Performer. I also like the wagon composition better, and EOD flashwagons in my experience are usually driven by Town, often on scum.

VOTE: Android

[Performer]

Ok so fa is looking townier, but I feel is sloppy with posts talking about someone " coasting," accusing wave of something she missed, saying I'm L-1 when the vote count came up later. I think you should slow it down to fact check first in scumhunting.

All of wave's posts look quite good on pg 74. Wow.

[Frozen Angel]

My point about wave stands even with those posts.

and coasting was to you cause I felt you're not adding new perspective to game.

I really thought you're L1 let me check what I missed

[Frozen Angel]

oHHHH

I miscalculated cause myloninja was voting you before they switched to Android

[Frozen Angel]

Deadline is hours away and I'm on what amounts to a vanity wagon.

I am admittedly way behind and have nothing specific against Android, but he's a better lynch than Performer. I also like the wagon composition better, and EOD flashwagons in my experience are usually driven by Town, often on scum.

VOTE: Android

can you link to some of those experiences?

[wavemode]

My point about wave stands even with those posts.

Eh I think it only still stands not on merit but because you want it to still stand, so you moved the goalposts. But obviously we would agree to disagree on that point.

[Almost50]

why are you voting them instead of performer?

Because -right now- I think we've been tricked to wagon 2 townies, one of which is a VT, the other is

unknown

[texcat]

Who do you think is doing the tricking?

[Frozen Angel]

why are you voting them instead of performer?

Because -right now- I think we've been tricked to wagon 2 townies, one of which is a VT, the other is

unknown

Weren't you one of the people who advocated Android lynch yesterday?

what changed about Android in your opinion?

[Almost50]

what changed about Android in your opinion?

Read Dunn's post I was responding to. I agree Android sounds more townish of late, but then I still think Performer is also Town.

@Texcat: Yes I was. A man is entitled to change their reads based on new content. No? Android didn't do jack shot all game, and was lurking even after he declared his VLA was over. I rallied for his lynch then. Recently he came on and sounded townie, but also declared he can't promise much if he lived to D2. He claimed a VT. His lynch still provides info through VCA, prevents more claims, and doesn't hurt the town much.

[Almost50]

Oops! I guess I was also responding to FA when I addressed tex.

@Tex: The Scum team. I'm not quite sure who they might be at the moment and I'd need more time and info to be able to reevaluate.

[Creature]

VOTE: Performer

[Creature]

Performer's L-1

[texcat]

A50, yeah, I got that you think it's the scum team. I was wondering if you had any names in mind, but it can wait.

It looks like we may no lynch anyway. I guess it's up to Wheme and Robster. You think lynching a VT is better than no lynch? On the off chance he's scum? I actually think there's a good chance Android is scum, given what we have to go on from him.

[Performer]

VOTE: Performer
I am the Town Vengeful Neighbor. Planning to kill someone who yields information for us. Wasn't at all expecting to be lynched today though. I've always believed town , regardless of pr or not , need to scumhunt through the thread posts first before relying on their abilities (should be secondary reliance)...but that's just my philosophy I guess. This role has been weirdly fitting for me.

Ausuka needs to be saved tonight - if we have the proper roles, please save her.
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