Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[the worst]

Hamma Emerald

Mathdino/the worst, talk to me here: what do you make of NM's activity this game?

I don't have a solid read on NM yet. Invisibility was literally just Invisibility. I'll have a better gauge on NM after a couple of flips imo but he's sitting null.

what's your take on his play here?

[Shoshin]

You disagree with what I'm saying, Nauci?

[the worst]

My experience with Nm is he’s useless and never actually plays the game. He literally does nothing to help town

He actually has good reads as town, just is rarely interested in pushing them aggressively.

BTW assuming you're an alt--have I played with your main? maybe twice as TvS?

[the worst]

My experience with Nm is he’s useless and never actually plays the game. He literally does nothing to help town

How does he not get PLed every game

Wat

bc he's hilarious
(also really good as tpr and has good reads sue me)

[the worst]

> calls Gamma and Nauci partners
> Gamma and Nauci start a PL wagon at EOD to avert from Gamwagon

this is almost too good
almost

[the worst]

okay seriously the guy often votes well lategame and becomes substantially more readable as we get flips

please please tell me you guys are drunk

[Not_Mafia]

The only people who really commit to PL’s on me are the noobs and the desperate, and Gamma ain’t no noob

[Gustavo]

My experience with Nm is he’s useless and never actually plays the game. He literally does nothing to help town

He actually has good reads as town, just is rarely interested in pushing them aggressively.

BTW assuming you're an alt--have I played with your main? maybe twice as TvS?

I doubt we’ve played but could be. Been a couple years.

[the worst]

The only people who really commit to PL’s on me are the noobs and the desperate, and Gamma ain’t no noob

QFT

[the worst]

My experience with Nm is he’s useless and never actually plays the game. He literally does nothing to help town

He actually has good reads as town, just is rarely interested in pushing them aggressively.

BTW assuming you're an alt--have I played with your main? maybe twice as TvS?

I doubt we’ve played but could be. Been a couple years.

Nah I was mistaken, if you've been inactive for a couple of years. I'm a n00b.

[Gustavo]

The only people who really commit to PL’s on me are the noobs and the desperate, and Gamma ain’t no noob

Why do you put yourself into that position?

[skitter30]

i don't understand why it's super hard to make a mom wagon a thing tbh; the only people like townreading her are irrelpahnt and duckling

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I'm not super sure what you're talking about but the post I made was just after I read Shoshin's reply to me and I didn't read any of the updates because I hadn't had time

meh, ok. the timing was super suspicious tho

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794 and surrounding were solid af fmpov. like I am not a fan of how I was positioned as scum for my predecessor and irl busyness here. it crossed my mind several times that I was an easy af push for scum to hide behind, and I found Mom seeing things exactly the same way.

either she's town or has me pocketed hard but I'm not sure what scum!Mom's method is in WKing me here

well, duh, because she defended you

who are the scum that positioned your slot for a lynch?

i didn't like that post from her; most of her posting doesn't seem *sincere* or *real* to me; a lot of it feels kinda mechanical is maybe a good word? going through the motions? i don't know how to explain that better

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besides honestly that's just the wrong track. Gamma is just not town here, and it's seriously gross the way you're pussyfooting around his lynch.

you know, for someone who's that confident he's scum, i'm wondering why you're not on the wagon yet

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do you think shoshin and gamma are scum together, y/n?

@gustavo for like the third time

Idk

ok, let's try it this way. given that you scumread them both independantly what do you think of the fact that shoshin is pushing a gamma lynch right now?

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Huh this post makes me feel better about momrangal, because I'm now seeing that "something doesn't feel right" about the gamma wagon...

Hmm.

UNVOTE:

bleh, no, why'd you hop off?

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People are probably bored like I am. I called for the day to end a while back. We just need to end it. The stall could be because you are scum and it’s mostly town on it, or you are town and it’s scum led.

Who knows

um, no, the the entire point of the game is to figure out which of the two it is; atm i think it's the latter from the complacent gamestate

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So thinking about it NM inactivity might be NAI? This isn't anywhere near solid fyi

following up on this with a vote on him after nauci votes there is meh

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My experience with Nm is he’s useless and never actually plays the game. He literally does nothing to help town

I almost never want to PL but extreme inactivity and refusal to participate from a slot that only posts 2 words to prod Dodge makes the whole game so much harder to read that I want to. Like he's so anti town that it's made me question the scumread of Gamma I had for most of the game and if he's just going to be a source of this paranoia indefinitely even if he's not scum I can't abide it. The only reason I didn't already do this is because for some reason a lot of town were making "oh nm is always undeterringly useless and anti town" statements that discouraged voting there but I don't see why

VOTE: not_mafia

I do think gamma would give us more to read tomorrow than NM but literally everyone would

Not sure if nm flip would give us any info but that's just more of my frustration with the slot

i'm literally always down to pl nm if there's nothing better in the given gamestate but there's like legit scummy people in this game so idk why we'd settle for this today. like this is just a cop out.

and idk why his naked vote on gamma is enough to make you question your read on gamma; he always does that as either alignment and like i don't think that vote is ai like at all tbh

like this just feels like such a lazy resolution to today, even worse than a gamma lynch

if there's like a vig he's always a great shot; same with a cop check imo

there's justs so many scummy people in this game i have no idea why we'd settle for a pl in this gamestate
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Hey Irrelephant, I don't know if you remember but NM was my strongest townread in that Newbie game before he died (like I was at 99% town). NM's readable and anyone suggesting otherwise is just wrong. And even if they think he's a policy lynch, they shouldn't be pushing his lynch today,

you push policy at LYLO not D1

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lol no. you try to get them vigged if possible and if that isn't a thing you lynch them well before lylo to ensure that they aren't lylo lynchbait or to ensure they won't lolvote in lylo

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Shoshin I saw people saying NM is readable if he posts, which makes sense. I've skimmed games where NM posts and I would agree he's readable then. But how does your view factor in when he's averaging 2-3 words a day?

He's posting a usual amount for someone who is set on a Gamma lynch.

yes this is literally the problem with this gamestate

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okay seriously the guy often votes well lategame and becomes substantially more readable as we get flips

please please tell me you guys are drunk

duckling your posts are scumpinging me

[skitter30]

duckling how do you read me?

[Shoshin]

The only people who really commit to PL’s on me are the noobs and the desperate, and Gamma ain’t no noob

What about Nauci?

[the worst]

who are the scum that positioned your slot for a lynch?

re-read my ISO
literally said the idea crossed my mind, net all things I didn't find anyone particularly scummy for it. the way Bernie pushed it was a bit icky but he's already a hard townread.

still means I find it townie for someone to reach the same conclusion.

[the worst]

actually skitter just reread my ISO.

you're falling down my list for the leading questions up there. I'm not answering any of them because the answers are already ITT. it surprises me you haven't already parsed why I'm not on the Gamma wagon and why I find Mom townie.

[the worst]

duckling your posts are scumpinging me

like throwaway comments like this combined with asking questions which the answers to are already sitting in the last like 3 or 4 pages is seriously not like you.

[skitter30]

who are the scum that positioned your slot for a lynch?

re-read my ISO
literally said the idea crossed my mind, net all things I didn't find anyone particularly scummy for it. the way Bernie pushed it was a bit icky but he's already a hard townread.

still means I find it townie for someone to reach the same conclusion.

i'll reread your iso in a bit; i'm kinda semi v/la today so it'll be tonight or tommorow. like very little of what you're saying is memorable so i really don't recall what most of your positions are offhand

i find general stances like 'i think scum may have positioned my slot for a lynch but i don't find anyone particularly scummy for it' to be incredibly scummy. it's vaguely shade-throwing an entire group of group of people without every directing that suspicion at a particular person.

there's a game i super want to reference but can't yet .....

[the worst]

all in good time, some stuff I won't talk about d1 anyway

[the worst]

i find general stances like 'i think scum may have positioned my slot for a lynch but i don't find anyone particularly scummy for it' to be incredibly scummy. it's vaguely shade-throwing an entire group of group of people without every directing that suspicion at a particular person.

okay but this isn't my stance at all

[Nauci]

I can't sit on an NM vote because Gamma chased me on that one

It feels so gross from him. One of the few things that I had as a Gamma town point was the vanity the_worst vote because it seemed like conviction to go after a dead wagon versus hopping on a convenient counter wagon

Like I'm glad I made the NM vote because one of my hesitations with the gamma wagon was that I didn't see scum hopping on counter wagon opportunities, and that vote helped dispel those feels

UNVOTE:

Give me some time to figure out where I want to press at this point because it's exasperating that we're running a ~7 player game with Skitter/shosh/gamma/Irrelephant/Gus/the worst/myself close to deadline

[skitter30]

794 and surrounding were solid af fmpov. l

ike I am not a fan of how I was positioned as scum for my predecessor and irl busyness here

. it crossed my mind several times that I was an easy af push for scum to hide behind, and I found Mom seeing things exactly the same way.

either she's town or has me pocketed hard but I'm not sure what scum!Mom's method is in WKing me here

so can you like explain what the bolded means then?

[skitter30]

and the next sentence too i suppose.

[Nauci]

You disagree with what I'm saying, Nauci?

I disagree extremely emphatically with the idea of saving hard to read people for LYLO and policy lynching where PL by definition means not knowing someone's alignment at the most important point in the game to know alignments, yeah. I feel like I'm having to argue that "water" means dihydrogen monoxide in this conversation.

Ok back to work bbl

[skitter30]

and when i ask you who you think is doing that you told me that 'net all things I didn't find anyone particularly scummy for it' in 1439, so how am i not understanding your stance?