Newbie 1875 | D4

[Espeonage]

"Not taking any low hanging fruit" is exactly my problem in a game that's >50% low hanging fruit. I don't like how she is voting one of the most talkative players in this very quiet game. Obviously I also don't like that that happens to be me, but if (for example) I get lynched and you (teacher) are nightkilled, there won't be much of a conversation left to analyze come D2.

VOTE: Klick, most of my townread on Isolato was newbie vibes but this vote is just bad

Bad usually means town.

:/ Pointed out the nexus thing before seeing Klick's case.

This just in, I have a scumread. I also don't like how you had to have the last word on the mechanics discussion.

[Espeonage]

Vote Irrelephant

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I forget who, but someone asked me a question then got mad I didn't answer it. I went and found the question and it was "Do I have any scumreads" and that got asked by multiple people. I think the follow up is probs town, but asking the same thing as others isn't really going to progress you far. Which is understand is hypocritical, but still.

[Espeonage]

Nexus is fine for the moment in regards to the number of words per post.

I honestly have more of an idea where nexus sits on reads than teacher, just from denisity inside each post.

[Irrelephant11]

Invisibility is active, taking an interest and making comments similar to ones I would make. So therefore I think they are as town as I am.

Xander seems like an active enthusiastic town!newbie.

I like stungun, he is backing up his points of view and has good points.

You and the other wordy guy seem town enough from activity and ideas. I may reassess this depending on how the game goes.

Hmmm those are good reads

I guess now I’m just nervous you’re scumreading plat and Espeonage to keep eyes off you

agree with the elephant here.

But that means a scumread on nexus would be pure paranoia read so idk why you are voting him.

Two posts later I changed my vote for that very reason, and I haven’t voted Nexus since. What’s your point here?

[Irrelephant11]

"Not taking any low hanging fruit" is exactly my problem in a game that's >50% low hanging fruit. I don't like how she is voting one of the most talkative players in this very quiet game. Obviously I also don't like that that happens to be me, but if (for example) I get lynched and you (teacher) are nightkilled, there won't be much of a conversation left to analyze come D2.

VOTE: Klick, most of my townread on Isolato was newbie vibes but this vote is just bad

Bad usually means town.

:/ Pointed out the nexus thing before seeing Klick's case.

This just in, I have a scumread. I also don't like how you had to have the last word on the mechanics discussion.

-Unfounded. “Bad” means... bad. I’ve used it lots as both town and scum. In this case I think the vote comes from a lack of deep thought and an attempt to do something unique, which is bad playI voted Klick because bad play is not pro-town, but after thinking about it it wasn’t enough for a strong scum-read

-I don’t know what this means

-false. This was the last word on mechanics

P.S.: I hate the mechanics discussion, but Elephant accurately described it. The "knowntown" benefit of it is a plus, but also not a lock, because Scum know whether we are in column C, and could take the 66% chance theres only one power role to fakeclaim tracker and coast. On balance, Id really rather there not be a claim today and that we focus on sorting slots.

and if you’ve got more to add I’d love to hear it, which is why I brought it up

You’re barely trying to sort or generate discussion - you just said you weren’t generating discussion because, we’ll, no one else was - and your scum read on me is based on misrepresenting my words. I don’t want to dismantle a (finally) well-functioning wagon atm because I find Plat scummier but I’m definitely scum reading you.

How are you reading Plat?

[Espeonage]

Bad is generally used to mean wrong in some way, and being wrong is a town trait.

[Espeonage]

I do like the tonal change though.

[stungun0404]

Welcome Klick

@Stun - By that definition, I would def choose you. Putting the rest in order for me is nexus, isolato, xander.

thank you for putting them in order! will definitely refer back to this. why isolato over xander, though?

[stungun0404]

Alright, caught up.

@stun: So your argument is essentially that teacher's scumread on plat goes into a detail that scum wouldn't bother looking into? I disagree. Something to keep in mind is that teacher claims to be a lawyer on the second page. I don't think his case is anything out of the ordinary for him to point out as either alignment. This reasoning doesn't convince me.

Fair enough, did not see that he claimed to be a lawyer, but I still find quite strong on a townread of him and that comes squarely from the way he’s attacking this game + his perspective—both of which have a very marked townfeel to me. I don’t think a scumplayer attacks the game with similar thought patterns to what he has pursued thus far.

[stungun0404]

feel quite strong, rather

[stungun0404]

Very likely town. Not taking any low hanging fruit. Disagree and don’t understand read on Espe, but if that was the partner I don’t think he’d defend Plat. Disagree but understand read on Plat so that’s a nonissue for me. Don’t mind the vote on you - again seems contrary to scum desire to set up two easier town wagons.

This is a great assessment of klick’s entrance, IMHO. The fact that he went against not one, BUT both of the main wagons gives me a definite early townfeel. I just think a bit misguided is all it comes off as.

[stungun0404]

@xander, i don’t think you responded to my question, but you have the newb excuse working for you at least, but i’d still enjoy a response.

Your question in #98 wrt people trying to be town rather than being town. I really don't know how to answer that. How am I supposed to differentiate?

trying to be town = mislead attempts
being town = genuine

i can see how this can be difficult to grasp, but if you get the hang of what i’m saying here it may help!

[stungun0404]

Alright last post before I V/LA

I think ESP is not scum. I think he genuinely forgot to vote for me, scumread me for a good reason, one that I would myself in his position. To note, I knew that I was half joking during RVS, but the way people saw it looked like it was serious. Its a good reason to suspect me if it was actually a serious bandwagon push on Invis


Now then, that gives me strong Town leans on teacher and esp.

hmm, i do like it that you’re defending espeonage here—a clear counterwagon to you—but in that case then who is scum to you? you’re still voting me, awkwardly enough, fwiw. do you think i’m scum?

[stungun0404]

if you are going v/la, you should update it in your profile settings. that way we clearly know how long you will be v/la for, and the mod will not prod you.

[teacher]

Will post read in appr 1.5 hr.

[teacher]

So Im pretty well shithoused. Got to see one of my favorite bands, then went home and straight to my laptop. Judge my priorities, go ahead. In seriousness, if any of this makes no sense, ask a question and I can probably explain it better on mobile tomorrow with a four year old hanging off me than I can right now…. But here goes….

My case on Nexus centers on Plat, Xander, and Espe. This post will focus on Plat alone. It will also hint at the center of my Nexus case, which is shared with Elephant’s 209. I have basically come to the conclusion that Plat is town (as explained below), and therefore suspect those who were really pushing him. So onto the post…..

Lets call Plat the low hanging fruit. He is the leading lynch everyone (except Klick and Invis) was comfortable with. Seriously, look though the player list. Almost everyone expressed suspicion and comfort lynching Plat except those players, and I cant see any of those who didnt push Plat as the partner.

So Plat is PoE town is the major conclusion from this post.

For those voting Plat, Id love to here where you disagree, if anywhere.

Going directly from the player list in 0:

• teacher: I made the whole big long case in 166, not to mention the promise to L-1 in 217. In any event, I know Im town-aligned and not Plat’s partner.
  
• stun: I don’t need to do anything more than point to 212, but I can also mention 183and post]137[/post]
  
• Klick: One of the slots that doesn’t scum Plat. See 233. But I cant pair them with Plat because then I don’t think they defend Espe in the same post if they were paired with Plat.
  
• Elephant: 266, 211
  
• Plat: no words needed.
  
• Xander: This is the most interesting slot, and may be the subject of a separate post. For now, Posts 105, 140, and 154 express strong suspicions of Plat, which then shift to me with 188 and 251, only to eventually suggest Plat and I are scum together in 269. On balance I see this as incredibly paranoid and contradictory town, but the doubts of Plat don’t seem to be coming from distancing scum. Not Plat’s partner.
  
• Nexus: The center of my case on this slot, which I will revisit after posting on Xander and Espe (who are my compromise lynch pool), is 165. It pushes, simultaneously, both leading wagons which I do not think anybody reading the then-current state of play could think would be scum together. In other words, this post accomplishes exactly what scum wants to accomplish – advance a town lynch and alternate town wagon without attracting attention. Regardless, this slot’s vote has been on Plat since 50, and so cant be their partner.
  
• Invis: the only slot other than Klick not to vote or scumread Plat. But I have such a strong ISO townread on this slot that I am not worried about them, To be perfectly honest, this is the weakest part of my case. But I don’t see 244 coming from scum!invis – its an unnecessary confession of error after Elephant had passed over the issue. So I say not Plat’s partner on ISO alone.
  
• Espe: Again, while 63 and 122 should do it, there does come the point where Espe unvoted. Here, I have to agree with my earlier self and Elephant (167)– I don’t think scum-Espe draws attention to their partner in this manner at this time, nor do I think both scum!Espe and Scum!Plat lurk out together as the two leading wagons. Not Plat’s partner.

[teacher]

Oh, and on the V/la thing, Im just mostly away from a computer on weekends so dont post. I scan every now and then by phone, and get in a one/two sentence post if I feel like its necessary. So its more "low activity" than "limited access," but it will be most weekends.

[Klick]

FWIW I have half a post typed up on my computer that’s been there for over a day but am also mostly a phone on the weekends. Apologies for the wait.

[Irrelephant11]

[*]Klick: One of the slots that doesn’t scum Plat. See 233. But I cant pair them with Plat because then I don’t think they defend Espe in the same post if they were paired with Plat.

Why not?

[teacher]

Because by flow of play at that point, Espe was the secondary and viable wagon so if it’s klick-Plat, pushing Espe makes sense, neutral is ok but defending is unlikely.

[Irrelephant11]

Except that scum!Klick has to keep a mislynch around for tomorrow, and a lot of the rest of us were (I think accurately) townreading each other
Lynching the easiest lynch is not always (or even usually) scum’s best play

[Irrelephant11]

Why do you townread Invis so “hard”? Not that i necessarily disagree about the slot I just don’t think my read is “hard”

[Xander]

Yea, I might be paranoid. But every time I read Plats last post it made me go cross eyed. Was I wrong in my summary of what he said? Did it somehow make sense and I am not getting it?

[Irrelephant11]

Nexus are you scumreading plat and este only in conjunction with each other or are you scum reading each of them individually

[xRECKONERx]

teacher
stungun0404 (1): platfleece
Klick:
Irrelephant11 (2): Klick, Espeonage
platfleece (3): Nexus, stungun0404, Irrelephant
Xander
Nexus (1): teacher
Invisibility
Espeonage (1): Invisibility

Deadline for D1 is (expired on 2018-07-06 00:00:00).

Invisibility has been prodded.