Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

Shoshin · Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:20 am

I don't have to justify anything, Gamma. Justification is what scum do.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:27 am

No it's not? Justification means you're providing a reason for me to not think your logic is complete bullshit.

Shoshin · Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:32 am

The logic of lynching the least towny player isn't bullshit, and if you took a moment to think about it, you'd understand that.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:41 am

Well the way you're presenting it seems very short-term. You seem like you're only motivated by lynching me and don't really see the long game of finding any other scum.
honestly the more I talk the more I find Shoshin's logic scum-motivated
VOTE: Shoshin

Shoshin · Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:45 am

You're not helping your case, Gamma.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:48 am

You're not either.
If I get lynched today someone hold Shoshin accountable for this flagrant denial of any accountability. She is not trying to sort the game, she's just playing one mislynch at a time.

Shoshin · Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:52 am

Gamma, I'm pretty sure I read a town game of yours where you called someone scummy for speculating about scum teams on D1. But now it's scummy not to speculate about scum teams on D1? Seems like your perspective on that has changed quite a bit.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:58 am

In post 1506, Shoshin wrote:Gamma, I'm pretty sure I read a town game of yours where you called someone scummy for speculating about scum teams on D1. But now it's scummy not to speculate about scum teams on D1? Seems like your perspective on that has changed quite a bit.

Context. I don't remember the other game specifically but here you're asserting everyone is more town, so I'm asking you who among those you think my scumbuddies are. The fact you refuse to answer tells me you haven't thought that far ahead.

Shoshin · Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:05 am

You're missing the point, Gamma. Even if I haven't thought that far ahead (and I have), why is that scummy if you don't seem to think that far ahead in your own town games? Do you think all townies think that far ahead?

Shoshin · Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:07 am

I find it very difficult to believe that town Gamma suspects me because I haven't "thought that far ahead."

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:10 am

In post 1508, Shoshin wrote:You're missing the point, Gamma. Even if I haven't thought that far ahead (and I have), why is that scummy if you don't seem to think that far ahead in your own town games? Do you think all townies think that far ahead?

First off, how about you link this game you're referring to? I can't even give a proper argument without knowing which game you're speaking of. If you have thought that far ahead why do I see no signs of it. And yeah townies can fail to think that far ahead but in you case it feels like you slipped up in your logic and are trying to deny the fact that you screwed up.

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:17 am

Gamma, we're not lynching Shoshin today. She might look scummy on re-read depending on your flip and the night flip (anyone might, honestly - I've played enough to know that no read should stay permanent when flips surprise you), but your vote is moot. How about some clear reads on all players? It might not stop your lynch, but if you're town it would help your win condition all the same.

If you're scum keep doing what you're doing

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:19 am

In post 1511, Irrelephant11 wrote:Gamma, we're not lynching Shoshin today. She might look scummy on re-read depending on your flip and the night flip (anyone might, honestly - I've played enough to know that no read should stay permanent when flips surprise you), but your vote is moot. How about some clear reads on all players? It might not stop your lynch, but if you're town it would help your win condition all the same.

If you're scum keep doing what you're doing

Why not today? You haven't really provided a good reason why.
As for "clear reads" I think my reads should be clear enough if you pay attention.

Shoshin · Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:21 am

In post 1510, Gamma Emerald wrote:And yeah townies can fail to think that far ahead but in you case it feels like you slipped up in your logic and are trying to deny the fact that you screwed up.

Why?

Shoshin · Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:22 am

Where's the slip in logic?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:23 am

You not considering the fact that I have to have scumbuddies in order to be scum?

Shoshin · Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:24 am

In post 1515, Gamma Emerald wrote:You not considering the fact that I have to have scumbuddies in order to be scum?

And why is this "slip" scummy if townies do it all the time?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:26 am

The fact it seems like scum that is more focused on getting my mislynch than town who forgot, based on how dodgy you've felt about this.

Shoshin · Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:29 am

In post 1517, Gamma Emerald wrote:The fact it seems like scum that is more focused on getting my mislynch than town who forgot, based on how dodgy you've felt about this.

So the "slip" isn't what's scummy, it's the fact that I didn't want to say who your partners are?

What's scummy about not wanting to give that information to the scum? How would that information benefit town at this point?

Nauci · Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:30 am

In post 1497, Gamma Emerald wrote: though I have to question why he called out the fake hammer

^ hmmmmmmmmmmm

In post 1500, Shoshin wrote:Justification is what scum do.

U fockin' wot m8

I continuously learn that I have absolutely no idea what's going on in your head

Like I don't see scum Shoshin because she has turned over more stones than almost everyone else combined this game and the aggro style aids with that but damn we apparently disagree on a whole lot of mafia theory on a fundamental level

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:32 am

I mean my reason is Shoshin is pretty widely townread. That will be true until and unless flips change perspectives. I don't expect them to in the case of Shoshin because my townread there is pretty strong, but if she spearheads multiple town lynches obviously I will reconsider

You are literally now saying the thing you don't like from Shoshin - "explain my reads? What do you mean explain my reads I've said them in various places". Except also your recent reads have been "wait you're voting ME? I vote YOU" which, you know, isn't really reads.

Feeling real good about my vote as time goes on

pedit: this is @Gamma if it's not clear

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:43 am

I love how you call my reads OMGUS when they're really fucking not
you're just bad at disassociating the two circumstances
this is to everyone making this conclusion fyi

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:44 am

but yeah I guess you're right about why Shoshin isn't happening
I don't want anyone to let this fall by the wayside though. Make sure Shoshin is held accountable.

Shoshin · Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:47 am

I guess Gamma is doubling down on his bad logic...

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1524 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:49 am

To clarify I don't disagree that you've shared some reads, Gamma, but a v pro-town thing you can do before getting lynched is to share a

clear

"here's how I'm reading everyone, use this info in case of my death" and your refusal to do so when asked is scummy.

Clear is underlined because "it's your fault that none of you can parse my reads" isn't helpful