NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Andrius]

I didn't read the last votecount. \___(:/)___/

[the worst]

I'd love to take a more humorous attitude towards this game, but that is out of my MafiaScum-range..heh.
I tried to joke with that duck one time in sitechat and it was devastatingly sub-par.

hey I liked it

seconded tho Hit is like a 50% Elli-level bad d1 lynch

[Pine]

Could've sworn flubber was at L-2. Maybe that was before the corrections? Maybe I'm blind? Could be both.

Mod error, my bad. I had brassherald voting in two places.

[brassherald]

I'm also planning to swoop in and take the hammer on flubber if at all possible. Because I don't get to hammer often

[dramonic]

vote: HitAlt

We're trolling you guys.


@Chickadee: So... that is one elaborate opinion on me.

[Chickadee]

Yeeeppp

It sure is.

[xyzzy]

this while honeypot thing from HitAlt feels like a lot of backpedaling and I'm not a big fan of it

can you explain this further please? because I'm not seeing it rn

basically he started out by saying "these three people are the scum team" and as soon as people started to apply, like, any scrutiny at all to the idea of guessing the scum team that early, he was like "ACTUALLY I just think this one person is scum and the other two are scum leans. I made this assertion for Very Smart Reasons"

anyway hey there's a wagon here now, so, as promised

VOTE: HitAlt

[xyzzy]

Lol
VOTE: HitAlt

This is easily the worst thing you could do at this point.
Join a wagon on a player we actually should and/or can lynch today.
Whether you like my antics or not I am not scum, and will not be lynched this game. (or on this alt for that matter unless town enjoys trolling)

also this is such a bad post. catastrophically bad

[Inferno390]

Gonna sit here and suggest that the wagon on Flubbernugget has been scum engineered. I’m looking at his ISO right now, and while it’s not great, it’s tonally strong and there’s nothing pinging about it anywhere. It reads as genuine town.

I want to take a much closer look and when, why, and how this wagon formed, because it’s starting to feel like this wagon has been set up to draw heat off of scum or a scumpartner and place it on mediocre posting. Because right now Flubbernugget reads a lot more like lynchbait than actually scummy play.

[brassherald]

If you guys can get HitAlt to a hammer range, I would also hammer there.

@Inferno, who is the scum engineering this flubber wagon?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey

Andy

… first let me say Happy Birthday to you! Also as an aside sometime out of game you need to fill me in on the full story regarding Plum and 2017 … I am definitely out of the loop and feel like there is something very cool there I missed out on in Bakerland.

On to the topic of HitAlt – while part of me would be happy to wagon on policy. I mean I have had my fill of hidden alts who act inscrutable, arrogant and needlessly opaque about their thoughts and almost Outed from the signups when I saw HitAlt join. Reading 729 almost pushed me to it. But I know my absolute disdain for hidden alts is completely clouding my judgement on whether HitAlt is scummy or just playing a dumb game behind the mask of an alt. Can you say that you honestly that you aren’t just turned off by his posting style as opposed to seeing scum intent? If so I’ll happily devote some time to a detailed read on HitAlt.

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@Taly

– I’m not sure how much depth you are looking for in my response to you.

First off the answer that I’m least happy with is your answer to the “Townreads” query from me. I know you aren’t Dave. However that whole answer feels like a sort-of meandering tour. You really sort of sidestepped the whole issue of why you asked in the first place if having Townreads in the first 24 hours isn’t unreasonable. Frankly the whole question was driven by the way you opened the question to me in the first place. The “Ugh” insinuated that somehow there was an expectation that I should have more to say about Town. Which I think would be pretty damn odd for the first 24 hours of the game regardless of how much a player normally gives Townreads. Which what little direct experience with me you have should have suggested I’m much more a scum-read driven player.

My followup to you is this – how much game-solve should you expect from a brand new player in a Large game where there is a pretty sizeable group of players who seem well acquainted with each other? I had communication before the game even finished signups with Pine in which he confirmed to me Sky was a completely new account and not an alt. That upon replacing in you immediately started scum-reading a completely raw player didn’t set well with my gut.

What do I think of profii – I don’t per-se. He’s in my deep null pool at the moment (other members included xyzzy and HewhoSwims). There’s a bit of chummy “be friends” from him that I find reminiscent of Firebringer and thus want to dismiss. His posting really just reads as “there”. I’d really have to give him a deep ISO dive to move him in either direction as it stands. And I have other irons in the fire right now.

Since he appears to be in your Town pool why don’t you give me some wordage behind that? Thanks.

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@Magna: so you’re going to base your entire read on The Worst based on a single previous game where you called him correctly?

Sounds like a 7for7 to me.

Um where did I say that at all? This feels a bit oddly parsed. I think theWorst as scum is a pretty reasonable to achieve read. I do read games on site I don’t participate in. The game example was meant to illustrate directly why if I died overnight theWorst should be at the top of the suspect list.

Do you think that’s scummy Inferno?

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Yes, that's him, and yes, he routinely denies his alts are him until they go out of use.

Are you saying Gustavo is an alt of Robbnova? If so I really need to think about my read on Gust knowing that it was him because bad reactionary play was his only playstyle and I need to filter some of the bullshit Gustavo was peddling through that filter. Also I need to recalibrate that my thoughts he was somewhat experience challenged if he is an alt.

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seconded tho Hit is like a 50% Elli-level bad d1 lynch

Yeah … no. Hidden alts by nature get absolutely no benefit of the doubt regarding whether they should get a Day 1 pass even if they are acting scummy. Hell I would argue no players should frankly but that’s neither here not there to this particular discussion.

Why would you even float this ducking?

[MagnaofIllusion]

If you guys can get HitAlt to a hammer range, I would also hammer there.

@Inferno, who is the scum engineering this flubber wagon?

Is there anyone you would not hammer if they got to L-1? I know that sounds a little funny but you seem awfully focused on hammering players as opposed to focusing on really digging into your scum suspects. No response to dramonic's refutation of your "no followup" point?

[brassherald]

If you guys can get HitAlt to a hammer range, I would also hammer there.

@Inferno, who is the scum engineering this flubber wagon?

Is there anyone you would not hammer if they got to L-1? I know that sounds a little funny but you seem awfully focused on hammering players as opposed to focusing on really digging into your scum suspects. No response to dramonic's refutation of your "no followup" point?

There are people I would not hammer if they got to L-1, I have announced literally two people I would at this point, that is a current complete list. Otherwise, I would have added more people to the list. Because that's how a list works. There are 15 people in the game I would not hammer right now if they got to L-1.

I had my say about dramonic, but I have seen at least two people that want to give him a pass as "dramonic being dramonic". I don't want to argue with people saying to just give someone a pass because they are always scummy, apparently, and his rebuttal posted two posts I had read that he never followed up on. I maintain what I said and do not feel the need to engage here when I have said my fill.

[Inferno390]

@Magna: You say that you will be able to read scum!TW solely on the idea of whether you die at night, based on a single previous experience in a game.

Not only are you instating major WIFOM in that alone, but you are overlooking the fact that scum can kill a player for a variety of reasons, so a scumteam without TW could still logically kill you, perhaps even for the previously mentioned WIFOM. So A) you dying at night can potentially set up town!TW for a bad fall, and B) scum!you not dying at night indirectly softclears scum!TW. Which I'm not saying either is true, I'm just pointing out that there are parts of your "read" that are detrimental to town.

Plus, the phrasing you are using to defend this point still feels like a 7for7. Which is not necessarily scummy either. 7for7 is not a scumtell. But it does make me trust your read on TW less.

@Brass: I'm not sure yet. I want to go back and reread the events surrounding the start of the wagon and see what comes out of it. I also want to hear everyone's opinion on why Fluuber is scum.

[dramonic]

Sure, lemme just get them to replace back in so I can follow up on what I was saying about them :>

[dramonic]

I think you just have a gut scumread on me and are trying to throw everything and the kitchen sink at me hoping something will stick.
Just say it's gut.

[the worst]

Yeah … no. Hidden alts by nature get absolutely no benefit of the doubt regarding whether they should get a Day 1 pass even if they are acting scummy. Hell I would argue no players should frankly but that’s neither here not there to this particular discussion.

Why would you even float this ducking?

Hit has good reads and recently pwnt scum!me, he's someone I'm interested in keeping around unless I'm actually actively scumreading him.

which right now I'm not

[profii]

i was about to split the new HitAlt wagon into voters that never got on the Flubber wagon and voters that moved over

the assumption being scum don’t want to bus Flubber so any “new voters” could be scum

But it looks like the entire wagon comprises of people who didn’t vote flubber. Interesting

[HitAlt]

But it looks like the entire wagon comprises of people who didn’t vote flubber. Interesting

This is such a profii way to make an astute observation.

[Elbirn]

I decided that hitalt isn't scummy so much as hes playing poorly

I'm sure tomorrow I'll flip a coin and change my mind again

Jokes on all of you I don't play mafia nearly so much as join mafia games to shitpost and enjoy the social atmosphere, enjoy being trapped with me for the next few months

[Elbirn]

Speaking of which, I've done fuckall to gamesolve but everyone in this game townreads me. Guarantee scum cozying up to me in hope that my whimsical and flippant nature can make me easy to sway, or something.

[HitAlt]

MOI will be nightkilled this game anyway, no matter if Duck is scum or not.
They seem like a painfully obvious town so far, and they come across like a player who has significant precense as well. They will solve the game if left alive for multiple days.

Duck and ausuka neither have any chance to win this as scum if we really have multiple people with good insights on them.

Elbirn is likely town, and they are propably just annoyed by my posting style (same as with MOI apparently), but I promise all of you that I get easier to digest as the game moves on.

Taly apparently didn't get my point about not wanting them lynched D1, but trying to force my point across is likely not very smart.

There's likely scum in the people currently voting me, not because it's ME, but because I've made myself easy to dislike and therefore to push for a mislynch.
I just can't find the energy to check who they were exactly, but undoubtedly some combination of the people I poked at..go figure.

[HitAlt]

Andrius replaced Gus, right?
While a welcome change in many ways, I think their reads were a bit shaky in that catchup.
Also the way they kept building to that "vote HitAlt with me" before reaching Infernos vote on me in their catchup..yea it feels like scum faking it.
I like Andrius the person, but not Andrius the character..! (anyone? know the reference?)

[HitAlt]

basically he started out by saying "these three people are the scum team" and as soon as people started to apply, like, any scrutiny at all to the idea of guessing the scum team that early, he was like "ACTUALLY I just think this one person is scum and the other two are scum leans. I made this assertion for Very Smart Reasons"

Last post of my spam for now - this is flawed.
Go check the situation and posting around my accused backpedaling.
My honeypot got very mild scrutiny and critique towards it in the start, and I actually got three votes on SkyG before I revealed why I had done what I did.
Now tell me this:

why would I "backpedal" on those "faked scumreads" as scum?

It would only fit if I was scum WITH Sky, and was afraid that the "bus" would go through.
Which I'm not, and I wasn't either - I still would like for us to lynch SkyG because I believe there's a high chance for scum there, and even if not red, it would help me advance my VCA for tomorrow.

So assuming scum!Hit, I would've brought myself to the front, called a list of people I'm willing to lynch (most of who propably could've been lynched as well), and then made an unnecessary soft-turn to annoy people?
Solid theory - pick another.

[profii]

But it looks like the entire wagon comprises of people who didn’t vote flubber. Interesting

This is such a profii way to make an astute observation.

someone who has played with me enough to say that. Interesting - because I've only played a dozen or so games here.

I had a good feeling we had played before though.