Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Irrelephant11]

pretty sure those are the asterisks from prods in the first post

townreading Bernie atm

[Keyser Söze]

pretty sure those are the asterisks from prods in the first post

Thought it was a scum slip at first but yeah, the mod's prods.

[Irrelephant11]

talk to me more about why you think mom is scummy, I feel like she's been nearly scumsensus for awhile but I never understood the case after "she had a bad entrance"

[Bernie Sanders]

So this awkward but I just did some meta skim due diligence on gamma and he might just actually be scum >___>

[Keyser Söze]

Just realised mom posted they're VLA, so won't be here for EoD.

[Keyser Söze]

So this awkward but I just did some meta skim due diligence on gamma and he might just actually be scum >___>

Please share

[brassherald]

For reference, if you are VLA, I just extend the time before a prod to 3 days. And your time to post will be extended to 2 days (because I'll forget 1.5), so it's not a complete excuse to not post in my games.

[Bernie Sanders]

yeah pretty much every town game he's doing some level of substantial work after rvs ends and throwing pokes and votes around
scum he just comments on things and occasionally votes but its fluffy and theres little point
also when interested mostly seems reactive to things involving himself (similar to with shoshin)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10052294

compare to as so
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
with more relevant questions and more real interest in people
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
some fluff in rvs but without a doubt scumhunting as the day went on
but pretty much any towngame seems similar

TBH I was expecting either opposite or heavily mixed/inconclusive things but modern gamma seems to have an at-a-glance meta difference almost like a creature or something rather than most people where it's really hard to get anything

[Keyser Söze]

talk to me more about why you think mom is scummy, I feel like she's been nearly scumsensus for awhile but I never understood the case after "she had a bad entrance"

Unfortunately PoE.

If you exclude the early fixation of Invisibility (think you could label him lynchbait), you would be hard pressed to give a definitive scum case.

Confirm bias has effected my read of them (based on their interactions with BS and Gamma).

Am I confident? Hell no.

[Keyser Söze]

That’s pretty damning if that behaviour is consistent with his scum meta.

[Bernie Sanders]

The only potential caveat is he said he was returning after not having played for a bit so his style may genuinely have changed a lot
though even then in mini 2000 he said he was trying a new low activity playstyle (given he was scum there, likely either to attempt to improve his scumgame or just out of boredom)

[Shoshin]

He should claim.

[Bernie Sanders]

So the meta is probably right that gamma scumhunts as town, but I also think maybe he actually was scumhunting here after he got started.
Not much but his assessment of gustavo is is kinda true (votes people for bad play or antitown play often and not always looking closer)
Interest on N_M is actually good and you can see 1413 as following from 1294
also I saw a game with momrangal-theworst-gamma emerald so gamma emerald responding to mom's read (714) and then unvoting after 1390 mom's post on the worst is actually fair with some history behind it

[Bernie Sanders]

Gamma how did you go from scumreading to having gustavo and tw as town
with duck I thought maybe it was mom 1390 but you still read as scumreading him in 1392 so strong town is weird
gustavo I saw you stopped scumreading his push on you but how does it go from that to town
similarly idk how math could be anything apart from null here

[Bernie Sanders]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
just finished with gamma scum in it

actually gamma I think you should claim

[Gamma Emerald]

In post 1494, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1436, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1401, Gamma Emerald wrote:
So thinking about it NM inactivity might be NAI? This isn't anywhere near solid fyi


following up on this with a vote on him after nauci votes there is meh

this is taking things out of context quite a bit


ok, what am i taking out of context?

see below

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In post 1495, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay everyone saying "gamma followed nauci" can eat it. I had my own logic for my vote which I know I posted. Actually read the game tia.


yes, you had your own logic but the timing is suspect given that you hopped on the nm wagon 2 posts and 5 minutes after nauci voted there

ok fair. If you are saying the timing looks bad eh not much I can do about that but understandable.

[Gamma Emerald]

$10 word

what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Again I think even if gamma is is scum it's essentially always with momrangal but right now momrangal-the worst looks more of a scum thing.
IDK if literally anyone commented when I brought this up in my last post but it's aTW pressure voted mom and completely dropped it after with no comment to later townread, furthermore mom defends duck. Though momr gamma read (1188) is weird af too soooo.

At this point it is possibly too late (even for me who always deadline pushes) but I would suggest gamma himself and maybe errant consider voting mom unless he scumreads gamma more given he's not even voting

I might be convinced on mom, I feel like the same reasoning that makes me suspect keyser makes mom suspicious as well

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma what are the asterisks in your readslist btw?

I direct copied from playerlist, those are from prods

[Keyser Söze]

Skimmed the last 4 pages, so catching up.

Just did a full ISO on Bernie and I don't see anything suspect beyond a lack of super dramatically towny posts (Keyser do you still think Bernie-Mom could be a thing when now that they're voting each other?).

I'm starting to feel like my reads have been terrible today. The fact they voted eachother was both amusing/interesting in my eyes, at the time it didn't dampen my scum-feels/teammate theory



[Side thought: Nauci is very eloquent. Brilliant at explaining/defending their stance. Are most people t/reading her (like me)?
What % chance do you have that Nauci is scum (and knows which players to defend?). @Nauci, are you hard to lynch as scum?]

you're not looking very deep at what 570 means. As far as I could tell Key was scumreading me. So for him to challenge a scumread on me was kinda strange. also as I post this I realize Keyser fencesitting on my slot might actually be a scum thing.
wrt 1109/1110 and 1140, I was thinking "alright, he is being stubborn, why don't I try to reason with him". When he didn't give any indication he wanted to fix anything about his read, I gave up and wrote him of as scum.

Ok, feeling abit better with Gamma having me down as scum/my behaviour suspicious. So don't see Gamma's read as OMGUS.

I don't have to justify anything, Gamma. Justification is what scum do.

No it's not? Justification means you're providing a reason for me to not think your logic is complete bullshit.

I think we can rule out Shos-Gamma scum theatre here...

As for "clear reads" I think my reads should be clear enough if you pay attention.

This actually feels

real

.

[Gamma Emerald]

The only potential caveat is he said he was returning after not having played for a bit so his style may genuinely have changed a lot
though even then in mini 2000 he said he was trying a new low activity playstyle (given he was scum there, likely either to attempt to improve his scumgame or just out of boredom)

mini 2000 was actually part of a two-pronged attempt at trying that style: look at ny 211 for the town side. Also look at newbie 1936 for the game that sorta kicked it off

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma how did you go from scumreading to having gustavo and tw as town
with duck I thought maybe it was mom 1390 but you still read as scumreading him in 1392 so strong town is weird
gustavo I saw you stopped scumreading his push on you but how does it go from that to town
similarly idk how math could be anything apart from null here

tw I feel like mom might have a meta point, 1392 was me just noting that it looked suspicious so it was called out somewhere. might look back over this if mom were to flip scum though cos a lot of people are saying mom-tw is a possible pairing
gustavo I sorta realized maybe I was wrong, but yeah he shouldn't be high town, but that's not where he is. town area just means a degree of townread
mathdino I think he's actually been pretty present around the beginning

[Gamma Emerald]

A couple of people are asking me to claim rn
I'm a VT, iirc my flavor is Ulysses S. Grant? I've been sorta resigned to getting lynched for a little bit, I know it's probably going to happen sometime barring a cop inno, so might as well get me out of the way while we have the chance. My goal at this point is just getting some good info out for later days.

[Gustavo]

$10 word

what?

A ten dollar word is a longer word that is used in place of a smaller and more well-known word. The origin of ten dollar words dates back to the early 19th century when writers and speakers would use highfalutin words to inflate their appearance and seem smarter than the more average man.

Google is awesome btw. You could have just googled it.

[Gamma Emerald]

$10 word

what?

A ten dollar word is a longer word that is used in place of a smaller and more well-known word. The origin of ten dollar words dates back to the early 19th century when writers and speakers would use highfalutin words to inflate their appearance and seem smarter than the more average man.

Google is awesome btw. You could have just googled it.

that is true. and yeah I sometimes use those myself