like, why is this assuming the a50 kill was the scum kill and not vax's shot? a50 wasn't really a townread and seems a weird nk choice to me. this moves dunn down quite a bit in my reads tbh.In post 1939, Dunnstral wrote:Vaxkiller, where's your vig shot?
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This is the only thing that's a weird assumption for me because I don't even understand the motivation to lynch android over performer yesterday BUT Pine makes an excellent point in that the performer and android wagons existed already and only when it started to look like android might trump performer for the lynch did the performer wagon gain a lot of momentum suddenly. that's a thing that happened.In post 1955, Frozen Angel wrote:Are you saying that the wagon on Android was town driven?
now as far as making the conclusion that it makes android scum... i dont know. it's a tough call there because then you would absolutely have to assume that it WAS town driven, which generally doesn't happen with lurker lynches. so... maybe they were both town?
also if we assume the nk was scum shot and not vig shot, then i'd be more convinced that maybe android actually is scum because i'd be thinking that's where he'd shoot. he needs to come in and tell us what happened.
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How come now it's all "hurr durr, day one read don't mean nuttin"In post 2047, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:if you're going to scumread me for pushing a scumread on DAY ONE and being wrong, at least show what makes you think it had scum motivation. (hint: there isn't any because I'm town)
BUt yesterday, on DAY ONE it was all: "perf is confscum, i'm 100% sure."
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i'm not asking you to give me a break, i'm asking you to think a little more deeply about things and consider all aspects of the situation. i'm not going to argue with you about facts - i know why i was scumreading him and why i pushed for his lynch so strongly yesterday - he was my strongest scumread by far. whether you believe it or not is up to you. i think your depiction of my case is disingenuous. and persecuting me for scumreading people based on tone isn't a reason to scumread anyone - that is literally how i play. i'm a gut-reader. you need to separate playstyle from motivation.In post 2051, JarJarDrinks wrote:read all that. read still looks contrived. And it still all likes a scumread based on tone.
as for it not being fair cuz ur mobile, I dont think it's fair to ask to give u a break based on something that we only have your word for
i'll be confirmed town in time anyway so *shrug* you should just assume i'm town for today and help me fix my reads.
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I wanna hear from vax but lol if he claims he killed A50In post 2050, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
like, why is this assuming the a50 kill was the scum kill and not vax's shot? a50 wasn't really a townread and seems a weird nk choice to me. this moves dunn down quite a bit in my reads tbh.In post 1939, Dunnstral wrote:Vaxkiller, where's your vig shot?False tears bring pain to those around you
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no android wagon was non existing. it had 2 reason-less votes. It just became something out of nowhere there - by towny people. But then people just jumped on it with no reason.In post 2052, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
This is the only thing that's a weird assumption for me because I don't even understand the motivation to lynch android over performer yesterday BUT Pine makes an excellent point in that the performer and android wagons existed already and only when it started to look like android might trump performer for the lynch did the performer wagon gain a lot of momentum suddenly. that's a thing that happened.In post 1955, Frozen Angel wrote:Are you saying that the wagon on Android was town driven?
now as far as making the conclusion that it makes android scum... i dont know. it's a tough call there because then you would absolutely have to assume that it WAS town driven, which generally doesn't happen with lurker lynches. so... maybe they were both town?
also if we assume the nk was scum shot and not vig shot, then i'd be more convinced that maybe android actually is scum because i'd be thinking that's where he'd shoot. he needs to come in and tell us what happened.
i think it's more likely a50 is the vig shot and the nk was probably on the a protected townie... like, oh i dunno, the IC.
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my thinking was just that if a50 is actually the scum kill, then that means, assuming vax is telling the truth, that he was blocked by scum. well why would they do that unless they feared where he would shoot? if android was town, then why wouldn't they just let him shoot a townie and get two kills in one night? (i'm assuming here that vax would have shot the counterwagon.) but if android is scum, then there is reason to block him.In post 2058, Frozen Angel wrote:
no android wagon was non existing. it had 2 reason-less votes. It just became something out of nowhere there - by towny people. But then people just jumped on it with no reason.In post 2052, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
This is the only thing that's a weird assumption for me because I don't even understand the motivation to lynch android over performer yesterday BUT Pine makes an excellent point in that the performer and android wagons existed already and only when it started to look like android might trump performer for the lynch did the performer wagon gain a lot of momentum suddenly. that's a thing that happened.In post 1955, Frozen Angel wrote:Are you saying that the wagon on Android was town driven?
now as far as making the conclusion that it makes android scum... i dont know. it's a tough call there because then you would absolutely have to assume that it WAS town driven, which generally doesn't happen with lurker lynches. so... maybe they were both town?
also if we assume the nk was scum shot and not vig shot, then i'd be more convinced that maybe android actually is scum because i'd be thinking that's where he'd shoot. he needs to come in and tell us what happened.
i think it's more likely a50 is the vig shot and the nk was probably on the a protected townie... like, oh i dunno, the IC.
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did vax claim he is shooting android?False tears bring pain to those around you
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of course there's the possibility that both vax and scum shot the same target but i really dont see scum shooting a50 here. he was far from a universal townread. there's two things here where shooting a50 makes sense - 1) they thought he was a PR or 2) one of the universal townreads is actually scum, even besides the IC who was probably protected.
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like, if i were scum facing a vig claim, i'd be trying to predict where he would shoot and i'd be thinking he would shoot the counterwagon. if that counterwagon was town, i'd let him go and/or shoot him. if the counterwagon was on a buddy, i'd block the shit out of him. that's where this assumption is coming from - trying to guess the scum motivations here, not necessarily vax's.
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i think he did say that. which is why i'm conflicted on the android wagon. if a50 was actually the scum shot, why? does it make sense to you? that scum would shoot a50 over the IC or gamma or anyone who was more widely townread?In post 2062, JarJarDrinks wrote:i thought vax implied he'd shoot wave.Art is cool.- JarJarDrinks
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not necessarily. If the counterwagon is still alive then he's still a viable lynch the next day.In post 2063, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:like, if i were scum facing a vig claim, i'd be trying to predict where he would shoot and i'd be thinking he would shoot the counterwagon. if that counterwagon was town, i'd let him go and/or shoot him.- JarJarDrinks
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you're saying as far as what vax might be thinking? or are you saying that scum would be thinking to reserve him for today if he was town?In post 2065, JarJarDrinks wrote:
not necessarily. If the counterwagon is still alive then he's still a viable lynch the next day.In post 2063, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:like, if i were scum facing a vig claim, i'd be trying to predict where he would shoot and i'd be thinking he would shoot the counterwagon. if that counterwagon was town, i'd let him go and/or shoot him.Art is cool.- JarJarDrinks
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Yeah we really need to hear from vax.In post 2064, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
i think he did say that. which is why i'm conflicted on the android wagon. if a50 was actually the scum shot, why? does it make sense to you? that scum would shoot a50 over the IC or gamma or anyone who was more widely townread?In post 2062, JarJarDrinks wrote:i thought vax implied he'd shoot wave.- JarJarDrinks
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yes I'm saying that scum might block a vig shooting at town if that town was a viable lynch for the next day.In post 2067, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
you're saying as far as what vax might be thinking? or are you saying that scum would be thinking to reserve him for today if he was town?In post 2065, JarJarDrinks wrote:
not necessarily. If the counterwagon is still alive then he's still a viable lynch the next day.In post 2063, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:like, if i were scum facing a vig claim, i'd be trying to predict where he would shoot and i'd be thinking he would shoot the counterwagon. if that counterwagon was town, i'd let him go and/or shoot him.- EspeciallyTheLies
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a50 might have been softing something that got him killed
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