NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Pine]

@Mod

can we get an updated VC

Yes, soon. Need to go make burgers and dogs for 70 people.

I can do this if you like! =D

[Pine]

==> Vote Count 1.6 <==

With 17 votes in play, it's 9 to lynch!

The fifth turn starts with every team in a precarious position. Everyone is either overextended or severely disadvantaged. Blue begins, cashing in its continent bonuses for South America and Africa, with a sizeable dynamic bonus simply for holding almost half the map...if weakly. They shore up their defenses in northern Africa, and use the rest of their income to polish off the reds in Canada. Seizing red's cards, blue fortifies its holdings, though it doesn't bother trying to contest North America. Green finally makes its move, cashing in a card set and exploding out of the remnants of its European misadventure. They warm up by eliminating the pernicious grays in Europe, ending their ambition for a comeback, and then march south, barreling into Africa. Egypt falls, and blue pauses. They confer for a moment with Pine and his yellow team, and end with an accord that sees yellow agreeing to withdraw from Europe and leave green alone, and in exchange both teams will focus on the blue threat. Thus agreed, green presses forth in Africa, and chases blue from its ancestral home. On yellow's turn, they honor the treaty and pivot for North America, the hordes of troops granted from the combined Asia and Australia bonuses sufficient to overwhelm the guard in Alaska and crush its way all the way to the Mexican border.

[L-9]

Elbirn -

[L-9]

MagnaofIllusion -

[L-9]

Ausuka -

[L-9]

brassherald -

[L-9]

the worst -

[L-8]

dramonic - brassherald

[L-3]

HitAlt - Inferno390, Andrius, Skygazer, dramonic, xyzzy, HeWhoSwims

[L-7]

Skygazer - HitAlt, Ausuka

[L-9]

Inferno390 -

[L-9]

Chickadee -

[L-9]

xyzzy -

[L-9]

HeWhoSwims -

[L-3]

Flubbernugget - Profii, Chickadee, Raskolnikov, the worst, Taly, MagnaofIllusion

[L-9]

Raskolnikov -

[L-8]

Taly - Flubbernugget

[L-9]

Andrius -

[L-9]

Profii -

Nursing their beer (Not voting)

- Elbirn

Chickadee has been prodded. It is her first offense.
One other will be in prod range in a few hours.

Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-09 15:40:00)

[Skygazer]

@Skygazer want readlist from you, also response to flubber answers you said you were waiting for

Response to flubber is above.

Readlist

Strong Town

Magna
Andrius
Elbirn
xyzzx
brass

Town Lean

profii
Rask
Inferno
Ausuka - has some good posts, I'm just offput by her tunnelling of me

I Don't Know How To Sort These Players To Be Quite Honest

dram
the_worst
Taly - dave was scummy, Taly has made some good posts since he's been here tho
Chickadee

Scum Lean

HeWhoSwims - I don't like 832 where he has like six different scumreads he's willing to vote for

Strong Scum

flubber
HitAlt

[Skygazer]

Looking at my IDKHTSTPTBQH pile for more possible scum.

I don't really want to wall but I'm willing to clarify individual reads because I know for a fact I haven't interacted with or talked about all of these players.

[Skygazer]

I feel like HitAlt has just been saying the same things over and over at this point, so I'm eager to see their more in depth post that's coming tomorrow.

[xyzzy]

Scum Lean

HeWhoSwims - I don't like 832 where he has like six different scumreads he's willing to vote for

on day 1 with 17 players that's not really that bad

[Skygazer]

Yeah the post kind of pinged me but I guess that's true considering where we're at. With the exception of two players I don't have the strongest scumreads at the moment either, maybe he's just more willing to lynch his leans.

[HitAlt]

HitAlt - This will be my last attempt to directly interact with you if you ignore this like the other attempts.

I haven't ignored you on purpose - I guess I have just missed the cues directed specifically at me.
I'll have a go now.

If you are Town then the Show Don't Tell principle is going to be a hurdle you as an Alt probably can't overcome without busting your alt.

You can say all you want how great a scum-hunter you are and how effective your methods are

but given you have a single game on this Alt. So all the arrogance of your tone falls flat.

I haven't tried to give the impression that I'm great somehow.
Or that I think myself that I am anything but something from OK to GOOD.
I do however have a brain on me, and I get frustrated when an "arrogant tone" is scummy because..? It's annoying?
The sole reason I made this alt was because I need to learn how to format my arguments better and not rely on my previous results to get people to sheep me.

Obviously I fell for it here already

, but that is mainly because I've been very much occupied IRL and thus lazy in here.
I've lacked the incentive to do a good, long post with quotes, so it's actually good to have been wagoned.
I don't want to weight the town down, and since I know I'm going to be NK'd sooner or later anyway, I just need to work harder on the "not lynched" -department.

In short: my actions have been poor thusfar, and I'll try to rectify it here.

"Tricksy traps" only work when you have well established credibility to use them. You don't. Thus I agree with the assessment from a bunch of players here that your "honey pot" looks from the outside like you are backtracking.

This I'll have to disagree with though.
You can discredit it HERE AND NOW.
But you definitely shouldn't forget about it after I flip and we are in the later stages.
I do what I do D1 to make sure we have leads for later days.

Intellectually I get that you think a Sky Town flip indicts the quick early wagon in some manner -

I agree but still include you as one of the indicted.

And the bolded part is absolutely the right thing to do.
I should be in the lynchpool if SkyG gets lynched and flips town, but I can live with that as long as people take the rest of that hypothesis seriously.

But the manner in which you "generate content" by pure posturing means a reasonable Town player can come to the conclusion that you are scummy because you acknowledge you are drawing negative attention by playing like you do ... you are the only one with the power to change that and like NotMafia you apparently stubbornly refuse to do so.

I'm nothing like NotMafia.
I mean..I'm NOT Mafia, but I'm not at all like Not_Mafia.
This post is me doing something I've never seen him do.

And 847 actually looks like the closest thing to flailing I've seen this thread. That combined to the Appeal the Authority "Mathdino said I did well" (who the f*ck cares what Mathdino said about your game) is pushing me to move my vote.

Well, that was sort of me being a smartass..
Not me thinking anyone was going to suddenly throw down their pitchforks and rally behind my cause!

I would have in this post if I didn't think Flubber was scum trying to lurk out a counter-wagon and letting you dig your own grave. So in my head I keep my vote on Flubber who I think is scum.

I'm reading Flubber next and then making a decision on where I will stand for the rest of the day.

[HitAlt]

I do not see scum!Flub, at least not as an "obvious" result.
I have no idea why he is the competing wagon with me.
Likely two mislynch-wagons at peak as of now, unless someone can give me good pointers on why Flub is scum.

I'll do ISO-work on dramonic/Sky later today as I still think those will yield us a scumflip.
Maybe that will help at least some of you to agree with me.

Paging the townies amongst

Profii, Chickadee, Raskolnikov, the worst, Taly, MagnaofIllusion

to jump onto either dramonic/Sky.
Scummies need not apply.

[profii]

I like the flubber wagon
I said earlier I'd join a dramonic wagon.
Sky fits in my criteria of Rask voters so I could vote there too.

I'm easy either way but whilst we have 6 on Flubber I'll stick there, if it dies off and a wagon on those 2 forms then I'll join.

[profii]

actually HitAlt

you created a honeytrap with SkyGazer. Tell me what you think happened with that again?

[brassherald]

Ausuka, why are you still voting Skygazer at this point?

[the worst]

Hardly, since there's no associative leading to Taly-scum.
Keep trying tho!

@TW: It's that game with the snakes and ladders right?

Yus you got it

[dramonic]

And I’m telling you that TW+Hit doesn’t make sense because of how hard Duck is defending Hit, and

good scum would not do that this late.

Which was what my point actually was.

I assume you mean early? (or late in the day/wagon?)
I agree good scum would not do that, but I've never played a game with TW, so at this juncture my options are bad town defending scum or bad scum.
I'll take my 50-50, thx.

[brassherald]

Hardly, since there's no associative leading to Taly-scum.
Keep trying tho!

@TW: It's that game with the snakes and ladders right?

Yus you got it

Now, what's the difference between snakes and ladders and chutes and ladders?

Because those are definitely two games.

[Flubbernugget]

HitAlt. Awe man. In a bubble, they need to be lynched. But then I look at the context around their wagon and get super conflicted. The wagon was fast and unexplained, but that's pretty much par for the course in this game. 100% willing to compromise here towards deadline because even if they're town, lynching them devours scum of a nice slot to divert attention to them.

There's plenty of explanation from people that are voting for hit.

In regards to 869 flubber just seems to be attacking Taly rather than taking the time to address any of the issues or questions that Taly brought up. Seems super defensive/kind of flaily, do not like.

Most of the explanation i saw revolved around some honeypot thing and an ego thing about how we should trust their reads. I think town do both things, making HitAlt an easy wagon for scum to coast on. I'll give the actual votes more scrutiny when time allows. My eyes start glossing after a few pages when I catch up.

Taly's issues don't hold water. I very much did explain that, which is addressing, so I don't really understand your point here. I didn't answer one question, because I think it's loaded. I'll quote elbrin's post for posterity later today when I have time.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka, why are you still voting Skygazer at this point?

I kinda have been floating through this game for a while and nothing really made me want to remove sky vote?

I'm gonna try to make a big post sometime soon/today because I need to do something like that to get back into the game.

[brassherald]

Ausuka, why are you still voting Skygazer at this point?

I kinda have been floating through this game for a while and nothing really made me want to remove sky vote?

I'm gonna try to make a big post sometime soon/today because I need to do something like that to get back into the game.

Okay. I'll look forward to that.

[Inferno390]

And I’m telling you that TW+Hit doesn’t make sense because of how hard Duck is defending Hit, and

good scum would not do that this late.

Which was what my point actually was.

I assume you mean early? (or late in the day/wagon?)
I agree good scum would not do that, but I've never played a game with TW, so at this juncture my options are bad town defending scum or bad scum.
I'll take my 50-50, thx.

Late in the day.
I would please like you to point to one good reason a scumbuddy would still be hard defending his partner at L-3 with only a handful of days remaining.

Now, while I’m at it, I’m going to parse all possible combinations of Hit+Duck.

Scum!Hit+Scum!Duck
Doesn’t make sense for reasons stated above and previously.

Scum!Hit+Town!Duck
This is what I’ve been looking at for the last few pages with this wagon. Duck only makes sense as Town in a Hit!scum world.

Town!Hit+Town!Duck
This seems unlikely based on play from both, but it’s not out of range of possibility. Which is not to say I think that Duck is not Town. But based on the interaction between him and Hitwagon, plus the lack of any other striking posts, concerns me should Hit!Town be a thing.

Town!Hit+Scum!Duck
This actually seems reasonable. Which again, I’m not saying that I think Hit is Town. But this lynchbait talk is getting me spooked, and should I be wrong, Scum!Duck makes sense here. I mean, scum could grab major town cred for hard defending a mislynch on lynch bait like that. And TW hasn’t really given a reason why HitAlt is Town imo. That plus his lack of any strongly Town posting... I’m looking at Suck hard depending on the flip.

[Inferno390]

EBWOP

Duck at the end there, not suck.

[Chickadee]

@HitAlt, can you show me a few flub posts you really like? I don't need comments (though they're welcomed).

[dramonic]

We have a competing wagon in flubs, HA could be a good PR, TW might just be bad at scum.
Those are three valid reasons (albeit the third might not be I dont know the guy besides site chat)

[Inferno390]

Well, that was a scum response.

How about some reasons beyond vague speculation?

[HitAlt]

We have a competing wagon in flubs,

HA could be a good PR

, TW might just be bad at scum.
Those are three valid reasons (albeit the third might not be I dont know the guy besides site chat)

If you ever thought I was a town-PR, you should never say something like this out loud..!
VOTE: dramonic - my mind is actually made at this point I think.

[profii]

We have a competing wagon in flubs,

HA could be a good PR

, TW might just be bad at scum.
Those are three valid reasons (albeit the third might not be I dont know the guy besides site chat)

If you ever thought I was a town-PR, you should never say something like this out loud..!
VOTE: dramonic - my mind is actually made at this point I think.

But if scum!dramonic thinks that, he can just PT his buddies... why is that of all things AI and not just bad town