Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[brassherald]

Why would we out the people with powers?

The scum finding out who is in the team would give them a good chance to kill someone with a power, then. The existence of a bulletproof power does not give enough protection to the team from a kill.

[Human Sequencer]

this is true, but 5 people get a power
u can't kill them all, even if they don't land on scum

more importantly, it informs the decisions of future leaders

[Titus]

Why would we out the people with powers?

The scum finding out who is in the team would give them a good chance to kill someone with a power, then. The existence of a bulletproof power does not give enough protection to the team from a kill.

That's the issue. If we just say FA picks, then FA can't give reads because scum just follow the reads.

As for the random explanation, there's not much reason behind it beyond the old adage that towns perform better when acting randomly rather than lynching with info. Here, the very people you select are obsessed about and constantly suspected as scum benefit because why else would they let you win? Any townblock you attempt to create has that paranoia thus reducing its effectiveness. Yet if you claim it is random, you can form a townblock without buddying fear and have the most mathmateical likelihood of hitting as many town. Plus scum have zero idea on whom to shoot.

@UFO, As for the post you quoted saying I assumed FA town, read it again. You'll see your premise is wrong. Also, it's not a game if we don't bicker l9l.

[Titus]

this is true, but 5 people get a power
u can't kill them all, even if they don't land on scum

more importantly, it informs the decisions of future leaders

How, unless you're assuming FA tells us? *glares*

[Titus]

Even with a smaller number a biased opinion is nearly always equal or better to a random pick.

This is true only if information present. D1 has no valid info. Only egos. D1 selections are nothing more than who is effective at buddying.

[Titus]

@Cerb, Didn't you say Mafia success is about reducing and eliminating the biases in logic? Why seek to subject them upon Frozen when a random strategy is just as effective?

[Human Sequencer]

this is true, but 5 people get a power
u can't kill them all, even if they don't land on scum

more importantly, it informs the decisions of future leaders

How, unless you're assuming FA tells us? *glares*

yes this is exactly what we're discussing thank you for clarifying

[Titus]

Tbh, the normal human impulse is secret select TRs but it is the most advantageous for scum as well. That approach is just individually better for FA if she does not go optimal and random. It's regardless of her alignment. It's strictly suboptimal for everyone else however.

[Titus]

@Nico, Why did you vote for me to be leader?

[Human Sequencer]

VOTE: unvote

[Toranaga]

Even with a smaller number a biased opinion is nearly always equal or better to a random pick.

This is true only if information present. D1 has no valid info. Only egos. D1 selections are nothing more than who is effective at buddying.

it took me a while to get there but I finally understand what your point of view is. I'm positive you are wrong, though. most good players, and especially frozen angel, can parse out the game enough to have >rand reads and select her players accordingly.

I still don't understand other parts of your posting but I hope we can find each other in this game rather soon if you're town here.

[Cerberus v666]

Even with a smaller number a biased opinion is nearly always equal or better to a random pick.

This is true only if information present. D1 has no valid info. Only egos. D1 selections are nothing more than who is effective at buddying.

Pretty much this. I believe the numbers show just how bad town is at lynching scum D1(that is, they're worse than random). Though this isn't quite the same, you're simply trying to find x not scum, so perhaps the comparison isn't fair.

@Cerb, Didn't you say Mafia success is about reducing and eliminating the biases in logic? Why seek to subject them upon Frozen when a random strategy is just as effective?

Because I don't know her alignment and a conscious choice made by her is more informative for late game work than a random one.

@Nico, Why did you vote for me to be leader?

I think he answered this. The better question may be why does nico have such conviction in his opinion about you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Good thing this isnt MU then.

We can have some of their good habits here

maybe that will help ms towns

Oh dear lawdy are you gonna be Mulch 2.0

Mulch is Amrock?

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Great Gatsby is a meh book but pretty fun to analyze

[Titus]

Yes. Semantics. He voted for me bc best. Why am I the best? It's a tautology. Although me phrasing like why am I the best sounds more like an arrogant prick.

[Titus]

I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Great Gatsby is a meh book but pretty fun to analyze

I might try again but hated it in school.

[Cerberus v666]

Fair enough.

Oh, also related to the whole team selection by FA: it's also possible that there are individuals in this game who FA can identify as town D1 with a high likelihood of being correct, so that also supports her making her own decisions. I'm bad at D1 generally speaking, for the lack of information reasons you noted, but there are still people(like Drixx) that I'm confident I can positively ID as town on D1 if I can get them talking enough.

[Gamma Emerald]

should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39

I'm not sure if the leader has reasonably high scum equity because that suggests all scum voted as a pack for a scum team mate, which may not be true for associative reasons once everyone declares who they voted for.

My crackpot theory is that they possibly split votes

I would not pack vote a leader if I was a wolf.

it's hard to tell at what level the wolves are at so I'd rather not be too concerned with this. FA is likely town by her posts, yes?

Agreed with all.

All what?

[NicoRobin]

@Titus Because from my experience you're a good asset for town, and partially because I wanted to be chosen.

[Gamma Emerald]

I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Go read The Right Stuff. It’s even more boring!

Isn't that about the American space program or am I thinking of the wrong thing

[brassherald]

I'm not a fan of non-fiction myself.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.

That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.

That was your only contribution of value to date! And yeah, elaboration is actually bad at this moment, but in general it's information that should be shared in the event of FA!scum.

Why only FA!scum?

Because Cerb!scum isn't possible? Neglecting to include that possibility, which only exists for people who aren't me, WAS a very deliberate decision to see who noticed, so thanks! <3

Thoughts on 1-9's alignment based on this?

[Human Sequencer]

hey

nico

what do u think of muffinman

[Gamma Emerald]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

This feels smart at first glance (no way to screw this up since you're completely kill-immune) but what advantages are there really to this?

[Gamma Emerald]

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS VIVE LA FRANCE

lolol congrats

france is the scariest team of this WC. perfect game today.

WC is what? And yeah this game looks like it's gonna be fun.