Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Not_Mafia]

@Not_Mafia - if I voted for you, would you be moved to present clear thoughts and reads on each player?

No

[Keyser Söze]

Key, why don't you want me reading your scum games?

I don’t wanna be rude, but that information is available for every player to see.

Click someone’s profile and view their topics.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Gustavo

Bad vote.

How can I make a good vote if I'm barely reading the game?

[Shoshin]

the worst, remember this:

Shoshin do you have some examples of scumgames?

Shoshin do you have some examples of scumgames?

There's one on this site. My scum play looks nothing like my play in this game. It's not even close.

I'm not asking for your evaluation, there's a couple of things I want to check. Do you have some off-site games you can throw me a link to?

That'd ruin the surprise. I should actually be able to look into this in good time but if not I'll just talk to you about it.

I still want to know what you wanted to check and whether you ever checked it.

[Keyser Söze]

@Not_Mafia - if I voted for you, would you be moved to present clear thoughts and reads on each player?

No

Thank you.

[Shoshin]

Key, why don't you want me reading your scum games?

I don’t wanna be rude, but that information is available for every player to see.

Click someone’s profile and view their topics.

I did that because you refused to help me find your games... the rude one is you who is straight-up refusing to help me out when I made a perfectly reasonable request... because sometimes it's not easy to find scum games... I also asked you whether you have a more recent game from Mini 1888. You haven't replied yet.

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Gustavo

Bad vote.

How can I make a good vote if I'm barely reading the game?

Why are you barely reading the game?

[Shoshin]

I've never seen a townie try to hide their meta the way Key is.

[Keyser Söze]

Key, why don't you want me reading your scum games?

I don’t wanna be rude, but that information is available for every player to see.

Click someone’s profile and view their topics.

I did that because you refused to help me find your games... the rude one is you who is straight-up refusing to help me out when I made a perfectly reasonable request... because sometimes it's not easy to find scum games... I also asked you whether you have a more recent game from Mini 1888. You haven't replied yet.

Do you think I’m actively hiding my town and scum games from you...?

What are you doing Shoshin? Are you being serious?

[Bernie Sanders]

@TW I'm not comfortable letting you off though
I thought your play was working with your townreads and get stuff done, so?
You really think skitter nauci are scum duo after you?
Or you think BV and consequently math is now scum for busywork catchup I think they generally do?
Granted I don't like quotewall stuff but BV will take stances and commit to things when he's finished, probably regardless of align

Talk more about your mom read given you were townreading her yesterday

[Shoshin]

Okay...

Key, why are you making it so difficult for me to find your games so that I can get a better read on you?

[Keyser Söze]

I've never seen a townie try to hide their meta the way Key is.

“Hide”

[Bernie Sanders]

@@@Shoshin
https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php? ... mit=Search

[Shoshin]

Key's scum.

[Shoshin]

Bernie, you think Key is town?

[Keyser Söze]

I will unlikely vote for NM today.

How

how are you actually reading Not_Mafia tho

I've already made some minimal notes of him so far.

He is neither a strong town read or a strong scum read (I don't think anyone should be reading him as such).

I believe he's exactly where he wants to be read.

I'll only begin to understand his motivations if he starts opening up.

He's not on the top of my list right now of players I want/need to sort, as I understood by everyone's D1 comments that this is

his thing

(playstyle-wise, which is infuriating, but it's his choice).

Show me why NotMafia is scum @Bernies Sanders.

Otherwise, no, I won’t be voting for Not_Mafia today.

Do you really think a vote from me is gonna push him out of his comfort zone? Are you seeing the same game as me?

@Bernie Sanders

You gonna answer? Is Not Mafia scum? Why should I vote for him right now?

[Shoshin]

NM's probably scum, too.

[skitter30]

i don't think any of this not-linking-scumgames thing is like remotely AI

like yeah i agree there's no town motivation not to do it - but there's literally no scum motivation either

[Bernie Sanders]

Keysor answer my questions to you.
Also make a post on who you think should be lynched and why in a dense compact way so people can actually try to follow your thought processes, I don't care if it's on me or whatever. You talked about who you'd vote and you commented a lot on individual posts but I want to see what you think are the strongest or most convincing points that you feel the most strongly about.

[Bernie Sanders]

I don't get it because I'm not even pushing N_M.

[Keyser Söze]

Key's scum.

@Shoshin - you implying I have scum motivation to “hide” my meta is disgenious and comical. How do you expect me to react?

You are now on ignore RE: me - I will only discuss your scum reads on other players.

[Keyser Söze]

I don't get it because I'm not even pushing N_M.

Then why get upset me saying I have NM as null and unlikely to vote him today?

[Shoshin]

i don't think any of this not-linking-scumgames thing is like remotely AI

like yeah i agree there's no town motivation not to do it - but there's literally no scum motivation either

Scum motivation = making it harder for me to find his games
Scum motivation = not wanting me to read his games

If he had left it at that, fine. But he's straight-up refusing to even talk with me about this. I asked him if he had a more recent scum game than Mini 1888 - no answer, instead he calls me rude for asking and tries getting me to stop engaging him.

[Shoshin]

Oh nice, now Key's ignoring me.

[Keyser Söze]

Oh nice, now Key's ignoring me.

I will only discuss your scum reads (expect me).