Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[the worst]

@TW I'm not comfortable letting you off though
I thought your play was working with your townreads and get stuff done, so?
You really think skitter nauci are scum duo after you?
Or you think BV and consequently math is now scum for busywork catchup I think they generally do?
Granted I don't like quotewall stuff but BV will take stances and commit to things when he's finished, probably regardless of align

Talk more about your mom read given you were townreading her yesterday

quoting to remind myself to hit u up when I'm not @ a job
gamestate is highly highly consistent with Nauci and skitter being scum with Mom. in retrospect vesides recognising that I shouldn't be lynched she hasn't done a lot. I think I was being stupid yday.

did I say BV is scum? I said I can scarcely parse their wallposts.

[skitter30]

holy mother of busywoek

if the cop isn't on BVslot they should be embarrassed

I mean, the fact that you said he ought to be cop-checked implies to me that you think he has reasonable scum equity.

When you're back from the job please explain how me/nauci/mom make sense together

[the worst]

holy mother of busywoek

if the cop isn't on BVslot they should be embarrassed

I mean, the fact that you said he ought to be cop-checked implies to me that you think he has reasonable scum equity.

When you're back from the job please explain how me/nauci/mom make sense together

I think you know me well enough to know I'm not gonna case that. it's all in my ISO.

have we never spoken about my cop philosophy? because that's not correct. If not I'll discuss post-game.

[BlackVoid]

I'm exhausted as hell from work but I have another day off tomorrow so I'm going to get current then.

[the worst]

rest up BV

[brassherald]

There have been two sets of father-son Presidents, John Adams/John Quincy Adams and George H.W. Bush/George W. Bush.

Votecount 2.7

momrangal (4)

~ Bernie Sanders, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst

the worst(1)

~ Irrelephant11

Shoshin (1)

~ Gustavo

Keyser Soze (1)

~ shoshin

Gustavo (1)

~ Not_Mafia

Not Voting (3): BlackVoid, Momrangal,Keyser Soze, Nauci

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-15 20:30:00)

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: Momrangal

That's L-2

[Irrelephant11]

I really don't know what to do with Mom's feeling "betrayed" by me - scum motivation is an emotional appeal for me to go back to townreading her, but it's also an odd thing for scum to think to say. I'll hopefully have more time today to add more thoughts, but in the mean time I'm fine with a Mom vote.

[Shoshin]

Does anyone oppose a Mom lynch?

[Shoshin]

Irrelephant, I don't understand how your Key scumread suddenly disappeared...

[Irrelephant11]

It hasn't disappeared. I just think you're incorrect about off/on wagon analysis, and idk which of Mom/Key is scum. I'll lynch either one, though I'd rather vote Not_Mafia, honestly. Those three are basically my lynchpool. I'm no expert at understanding counterwagons, though - I could vote Keyser if that's helpful to the game state?

[skitter30]

holy mother of busywoek

if the cop isn't on BVslot they should be embarrassed

I mean, the fact that you said he ought to be cop-checked implies to me that you think he has reasonable scum equity.

When you're back from the job please explain how me/nauci/mom make sense together

I think you know me well enough to know I'm not gonna case that. it's all in my ISO.

have we never spoken about my cop philosophy? because that's not correct. If not I'll discuss post-game.

so, just to clarify, your understanding of the gamestate is that me/nauci are partners and decided to work together to hardbus our third partner, mom, and to get you lynched?

we've never talked about your cop philosophy, no; we can talk about it post-game if you like

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rest up BV

^^^^

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Irrelephant, I don't understand how your Key scumread suddenly disappeared...

i'm more interested in why two people with mysterious townreads on mom yesterday (tw and irrelephant) are now voting her

[Irrelephant11]

i'm more interested in why two people with mysterious townreads on mom yesterday (tw and irrelephant) are now voting her

I've answered this. Short version: I think she's scummy

[Shoshin]

What changed?

[Shoshin]

Skitter, what do you make of the way Key went from scumreading Mom to townreading today?

[Shoshin]

Like, it makes sense for people who scumread Gamma to reevaluate their reads, because Gamma flipped town. But it's not so clear why Key's reevaluating in the way he is when he townread Gamma...

[Shoshin]

I had a D1 scumteam in my head (Skitter, BS, Mom) and a D2 scumteam developing (Nauci, BS, TW).

Like, how do you go from scumreading Mom to scumreading Nauci when you already townread Gamma? What changed?

[Irrelephant11]

Skitter you're doing the same thing you accused me of doing to you: not finding context for your suspicion of me (to a lesser degree, obvs). To both Skitter & Shoshin: Last game day I had Mom in my townpile, you (skitter) asked me about it and I gave reasons why. Today I know Gamma's alignment, and Mom's words gained new meaning. I didn't think she was scummy before Gamma flipped because the main reason I think she's scum now is knowing Gamma's alignment. She also has super underperformed and doesn't seem to have much direction this game day.

Sidenote: finding Mom scummy D1 for her interactions with Gamma without knowing his alignment is actually kind of weird?

Gonna ISO her though for due diligence

[Shoshin]

I didn't think she was scummy before Gamma flipped because the main reason I think she's scum now is knowing Gamma's alignment.

Couldn't you say the same about Key, the guy who you also scumread on D1? I don't understand how he drops out of your focus.

[Shoshin]

It hasn't disappeared. I just think you're incorrect about off/on wagon analysis, and idk which of Mom/Key is scum. I'll lynch either one, though I'd rather vote Not_Mafia, honestly. Those three are basically my lynchpool. I'm no expert at understanding counterwagons, though - I could vote Keyser if that's helpful to the game state?

Why not the worst?

[Irrelephant11]

I'm not ignoring him like you seem to think I am? I'm waiting for him to vote, and trying to meta him in the meantime. He just doesn't look as bad re:Gamma, but like I said I'm still willing to vote him. I think your case includes a lot of good points and captures the scummy feel better than I could manage, so I'm working on reading anything new from him when I have time

pedit: the worst is still scummy, but I'm not sure I want to lynch him. Re-read the worst from 2008 on (lol yes the year)

[Keyser Söze]

Like, it makes sense for people who scumread Gamma to reevaluate their reads, because Gamma flipped town. But it's not so clear why Key's reevaluating in the way he is when he townread Gamma...

I’m not town reading Mom, but my will to kill her today has weakened.

I agree that Mom’s interactions/comments on Gamma D1 is likely to get them lynched today.

I think Mom should roleclaim now.

[Irrelephant11]

At L-2 without intent to vote?

[Keyser Söze]

After Gamma was lynched so quickly I don’t want to risk it.

[Irrelephant11]

Gamma had time to claim and we were near deadline. Not the same?