NY 213 - Game Over!

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #20

Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (5) - Hopkirk (2346), Gamma Emerald (2488), Flavor Leaf (2499), Andriod18 (2533), PenguinPower (2572)
WhemeStar (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (1) - Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (1) - Pine (1936)
Texcat (0) -
TehBrawlGuy (0) -
Vaxkiller (1) - Kublai Khan (2423)
Wavemode (1) - TehBrawlGuy (2690)
PenguinPower (2) - EspeciallyTheLies (1996), Myloninja13 (2437)
Myloninja13 (4) - Creature (1941), Vaxkiller (2472), Texcat (2552), Ausuka (2574)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (5) - WhemeStar (2542), Wavemode (2635), JarJarDrinks (2640), Golden Robster (2642), Lalendra (2657)
Not Voting (2) - Frozen Angel, Scioness Sajj

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Frozen Angel is V/LA until July 11.
Seeking a replacement for EspeciallyTheLies.
If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) --> WhemeStar (2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) --> Flavor Leaf (2642)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423)
WhemeStar: Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) --> Flavor Leaf (2542)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346)
Gamma Emerald: Kublai Khan (2488)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) --> Flavor Leaf (2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) --> Flavor Leaf (2657)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) --> Flavor Leaf (2327) --> (Null) (2612) --> Flavor Leaf (2640)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy: (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690)
Vaxkiller: WhemeStar (2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) --> Flavor Leaf (2635)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572)
Myloninja13: PenguinPower (2437)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[JarJarDrinks]

You were in that game...

and it like JUST ended. wtf hopkirk?

[JarJarDrinks]

Spent the last 3 hours sorting through isos and re-skimming Day 2. Here's where I'm currently standing.

Town pile
Ausuka
Hopkirk
Andriod19
Dunnstral
Golden Robster
texcat
PenguinPower
JarJarDrinks

Weaktown
Gamma Emerald
EspeciallyTheLies
Lalendra
Frozen Angel
Pine

Eh... pile
Scioness Sajj
ArcAngel9
Creature (Apparently has a famous meta where he's active as town and lurks as scum. He lurks. But replaces out, which someone (WhemeStar?) sold as being town, but is it?)
WhemeStar

Scum pile
Flavor Leaf
Vaxkiller
Myloninja13
Wavemode


I'm in the group that says that Flavor Leaf's mason buddy needs to claim. On the re-read it just feels like his town & scum read on me & JarJarDrinks keeps flipping depending on whoever is attacking him. There is something manipulative in his play and he's trying to hide it with smoke and mirrors. Like his explanation of his reaction to Golden Robster is all WIFOM. He's basically arguing that there's no excuse for scum to play/react badly. Well of course not. But we catch scum when they do play/react badly. Except when we get placated by WIFOM reasoning.

If his partner is in my town or weaktown list, then I'm happy with three solid town reads to help with POE.

so town

[JarJarDrinks]

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today

Sure there is. If he's scum, we force one of his buddies to commit to a mason claim today. They may be more hesitant to do it today because if one of them gets lynched/vigged/tracked/etc... then it leads right to the other player.

As we get closer to lylo, a scum buddy would be more likely to fakeclaim knowing that they only need 1 or 2 mislynches to win the game.

Forcing people to commit early means they are more likely to get caught. The more time that goes by, the easier it is for them to tell a lie to fit their narrative.

if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

Terrible logic. I'm tired of explaining basic mafia principles to people.

The town is on a clock in mafia. They only have X amount of mislynches before they lose. Scum just needs to stall long enough to run out that clock. Everytime town mislynches they move closer to that clock running out.

So who cares is we "eventually" will figure it out? Scum doesnt need all their members to survive to endgame in order to win.


THERE IS ZERO BENEFIT TO NOT FORCING THE MASON CLAIM TODAY.

[JarJarDrinks]

Also dunn, u feel like giving reads or anything? Your contribution today has been severely lacking.

[Lalendra]

UNVOTE:
I would like to hear from the mason partner this dayphase.

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:
I would like to hear from the mason partner this dayphase.

Uhh then why unvote?

[Ircher]

Prodding Pine (2d 19h). He has (expired on 2018-07-12 09:49:40) to respond in-thread.

[Scioness Sajj]

Those are good points. I'm not sure what to make of the language and attitude in KK's posts - as you said, it is his town meta, but would be easy to fake - but the fact that KK ignored the Android wagon is very troubling to me.

As a matter of fact, I also would like to see more from Android.

VOTE: Andriod18

This would imply you scumread KK as my partner yes? Let's change that
VOTE: Kublai Khan

I'd really like to hear an explanation to this.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: FL

I like KK based on his overall reads...mostly where I'm leaning. 2nd Mason should claim or FL should get lynched. If 2nd Mason claims, Mylo needs to go.

3 days left so you all on vanities need to actually do something productive with your vote.

[PenguinPower]

Those are good points. I'm not sure what to make of the language and attitude in KK's posts - as you said, it is his town meta, but would be easy to fake - but the fact that KK ignored the Android wagon is very troubling to me.

As a matter of fact, I also would like to see more from Android.

VOTE: Andriod18

This would imply you scumread KK as my partner yes? Let's change that
VOTE: Kublai Khan

I'd really like to hear an explanation to this.

You need to vote.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd really like to hear an explanation to this.

Got any reads? How about an opinion on the mason thing?

[Flavor Leaf]

We’re lynching ON MY WAGON, if a fucking 2nd mason claims.

Like seriously, terrible play y’all doing this game.

Absolulely zero chance of lynching off my wagon. Like, obviously a second mason is claiming if I get pushed today. It’s literally fucking pointless.

It is blatant role fishing, and if you’re town who “needs a second mason to claim” that’s just bad. It’s a fucking mason claim. It’ll come out.

[PenguinPower]

If it was anyone else but you, I would agree.

[Scioness Sajj]

Responding to my prod. I'm busy tonight and tomorrow morning, but I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

Are you going to vote for anyone?

I guess I could VOTE: PP because OMGUS and they haven't really done anything to town read them on.

He hadn't mentioned Mylo since his vote for him in 1947 - 470 posts earlier. Mylo dropped a vote there when asked for a vote and came up with some weak reasoning, didn't even really try to back it up. So, it looked like he was opportunistically throwing a vote on someone who had literally just said they wouldn't be around to defend themselves and using OMGUS and vague "I don't see any reason for them to be town so they must be scum" as an excuse.

Mylo has specifically chosen PP because he knew PP wouldn't be able to defend themselves against opportunistic vote with no reasoning? Is that what you are saying here?

[Flavor Leaf]

If second mason claims,
I will hard defend Mylo, because Mylo is obv town.

If a second mason claims, I’m coming after Penguin or Wheme.

Hell, I’m coming after them anyways.

VOTE: PenguinPower

You scum claimed in that last post. Coming from the KK wagon (which I have posted my doubts about in my mason thread), votes me and tries to out the other mason, and then says if a second mason claims, we go on Mylo.

We should never go Mylo specifically because of that.

There is zero town motivation in a second mason claiming and then just accepting it after that.


@Penguin - you say if it was anyone else, you’d agree, then why isn’t JJD and Lalendra scummy to you? Those aren’t the reasons they are doing it.

If my second mason claims, they essentially become tonight’s night kill.

[texcat]

Sigh. Flavor Leaf is not a mason. It seems unlikely that the game contains masons AND neighbors, possibly but unlikely. It's not possible that FL's first claim is his true role. Just go look at his meta. He makes many claims during a game and I don't think the first one has ever been true. I've never understood the motivation for doing this, but I don't think it necessarily means he's scum.

[Scioness Sajj]

You need to vote.

I'd really like to hear an explanation to this.

Got any reads? How about an opinion on the mason thing?

i'm on page 102, i'll get there eventually

[PenguinPower]

If second mason claims,
I will hard defend Mylo, because Mylo is obv town.

If a second mason claims, I’m coming after Penguin or Wheme.

Hell, I’m coming after them anyways.

VOTE: PenguinPower

You scum claimed in that last post. Coming from the KK wagon (which I have posted my doubts about in my mason thread), votes me and tries to out the other mason, and then says if a second mason claims, we go on Mylo.

We should never go Mylo specifically because of that.

There is zero town motivation in a second mason claiming and then just accepting it after that.


@Penguin - you say if it was anyone else, you’d agree, then why isn’t JJD and Lalendra scummy to you? Those aren’t the reasons they are doing it.

If my second mason claims, they essentially become tonight’s night kill.

There was zero town motivation in you claiming Mason with 2 votes on you.

I said if it was anyone else but you making the Mason claim, I would say to leave you alone. But, you are very good at gambiting as scum, so I want some confirmation before I let me paranoid go.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sigh. Flavor Leaf is not a mason. It seems unlikely that the game contains masons AND neighbors, possibly but unlikely. It's not possible that FL's first claim is his true role. Just go look at his meta. He makes many claims during a game and I don't think the first one has ever been true. I've never understood the motivation for doing this, but I don't think it necessarily means he's scum.

@KK - my mason partner is in your weak town/town pile.

Like honestly, you guys aren’t fucking me over by doing this, you’re fucking over my partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Didn’t mean to quote Texcat.

[Flavor Leaf]

I had Ausuka/JJD/Wheme/Lalendra/KK votes implied, and there were 3 on the time, and it was going to grow.

There’s also zero motivation as scum to claim mason there.

The reverse is just as true, if not more true than what you are saying

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

[Flavor Leaf]

There is zero chance there isn’t at least 2 scum in

JJD, Golden Rob, PP, Lalendra, Wave, Wheme, and I will power lynch my way through after the mason claim comes through.

Hint, I will not be going after JJD or Wave.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sigh. Flavor Leaf is not a mason. It seems unlikely that the game contains masons AND neighbors, possibly but unlikely. It's not possible that FL's first claim is his true role. Just go look at his meta. He makes many claims during a game and I don't think the first one has ever been true. I've never understood the motivation for doing this, but I don't think it necessarily means he's scum.

First one’s been true a bunch of times. Sometimes I change it and he second or third ones aren’t true. But the first ones have been true a bunch of times.

Also been through games with being the only one who hadn’t claimed.

I play every game in the moment. :shrug: it gets results.

Everytime you’ve been scum in a game with me Texcat, I caught you out.